wengerd performance or Ortiz Performance

[ZXMustang]

This is always a slippery slope remote tuning cars. I took an interest in what my car is doing several years ago and bought an HP Tuners setup so I could at the very least data log my car in real time and get familiar with what a good and bad running car would look like. Once you start to see the data and are able to compare it with real world driving impressions, things become much clearer as to why tuners do what they do and how.

As far as the one poster saying Derel was unable to tune his JLT, man these things are not one off custom built racecars. if the JLT was installed correctly, then one or two revisions to account for minor differences in your car or your temp/DA should be all it takes. He did my JLT/LTH/Full E car just recently and its flawless. Shifts 10x better than stock and runs like an animal. And I have logged the hell out of my car. His fuel trims are within a few percent up and down and there is NO knock and nothing closing the throttle or anything weird I can see.

You really need to take his word for it or try to teach yourself and understand what hes seeing and know there is something else wrong. Blaming the tune, or tuners blaming the car is only going to end well if both parties have data to back it up and can understand what/why the condition is thats happening. In your case with the JLT, I would have pulled it off and completely reinstalled it. Then logged again. Then called JLT and asked for new couplers and so on. This is your car, take some responsibility to understand whats going on and figure out how to fix it. Once the JLT is on correctly and sealed, then go back to Derel and say here are new logs and now the car is off the scale in the opposite direction, what do we do. He can adjust and nail it down. Derel is not a TOONER like those lund secretaries. Hes the real deal - not a paid actor like that other douche youtube lund humper.

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[larr12]

How's the A10 transmission feeling on the Wengerd tune? Is it much different?

Shaun at AED and Daryl at Wengerd have both been really responsive to my emails and I'm planning on pulling the trigger within a week or two for 91, E85, 100 and flex tune.

Amazing. I love the way the 10R shifts. I'd say go with Wengerd.

 

[5.0_Lojos]

i am using Ortiz performance. i sent them a log of my bad initial start up on Wednesday at 4:26PM central time. Still have had no response from them at all.

Ortiz seems to be more of a Boosted V6 specialist for some reason. Most if not all his videos are v6 I am leaning towards Wengered just waiting on some installs prior to the tune.

 

[5.0_Lojos]

Going to spend all that money on a built engine and cheap out on a leaky intake. Sounds logical to me.

I thought the same

 

[shogun32]

Now Im scared I get a tune that my car wont even start

Barring wierd equipment (TB or maf/intake) I can't imagine how a tune could be so far out of whack that the car won't run within a couple percent of stock.

Every tune I got from Unleashed ran fine as soon as I turned the key. Maybe not optimal, but no qualms whatever.

 

[Dapepper9]

JLT sucks, nothing new. Ortiz has been nothing but great for me. Used a couple others as well but Ortiz has suited me best. Don't know much about Wengerd but honestly if a tuner is even slightly popular in the community, you're very likely going to have a solid experience. If you have nothing but problems, well with 1 tuner ok maybe it's the tuner. If it's more than 1 it's likely a customer issue lol

 

[tdstuart]

I just thought I'd toss this out here.

@tdstuart You sent me the logs of the JLT intake. It had a massive leak. I would not have added more fuel from the MAF either. That does work but is not a proper way to tune.

Unless you fixed the leak all Lund could have done is increase the MAF fueling to fool the car into thinking it has no leak. He also could have added fuel from the injectors. Again a band aid.

When I ran the calculations from the MAF readings Wengerd had added 20% to the MAF, is what I remember, and the logs were still 30% lean.

I never saw the Lund logs, I'd like to just to see what he did.

I have no affiliation with Wengerd

If you want I can send you my new logs with Lund. They are in .csv files and I couldn't figure out how to read them though.

I can't find a leak in the intake (I pressure tested it) and fixed the issue that may have caused a leak around the breather tube. Fixing the leak didn't change fuel trims as far as I could tell.

 

[tdstuart]

Thats correct we even added up to 30 percent above our maf data we have calibrated for the JLT and used hundreds of times. Still very lean. After that we will not keep adding as there is a underlying issue and that completely throws off the load.

He chose to keep trying to race it anyways even with this condition for some strange reason. We also have all the logs to back this up. Last i seen he was posting up disapointed in his 9 sec 60-130 on his new tuners tune.

It's not that I think you are incompetent or were purposely trying not to get my car running right. I am just stating what happened from a customer's perspective.

You said you couldn't do it, after my engine rebuild I decided to go with Lund. Lund initially struggled with the intake but got it working and told me that I didn't have a problem with the intake and it was fine.

You did warn me not to run the tune and I chose not to listen, I don't blame you for the engine blowing up either, that was my fault.

Edit (forgot to add more):
Also yes I am not happy with the 9 second 60-130. Even after more revisions and good air I could only get a best of 9.2 ish.

There could be several factors. My engine was low on compression and head studs worked themselves loose. Maybe the engine just wasn't producing the power it should because it was leaking in the heads. The car was burning tons of oil so either the heads or rings were leaking.

I am also full-weight with a stock converter and 3.15 gears. Definitely not the best combo for going fast N/A although I would have expected more like low 8s.

Edit 2:
You also couldn't fix the shifting problem, Lund did. I personally think it is a car-specific thing that happens rarely and Lund just has enough cars that they ran into the problem and found a fix. It also happened on their initial tunes but after explaining they were able to implement a fix. I tried to email you explaining that Lund fixed it so that you would know it was fixable incase your other customers ran into it.

 

[tdstuart]

Going to spend all that money on a built engine and cheap out on a leaky intake. Sounds logical to me.

Pressure tested the intake. only found a small leak around the breather hose connector and only at certain angles. I eventually got a replacement and got a different hose. Nothing ever fixed the fuel trims.

Fuel trims were up to 60%+ which should be a pretty massive leak. I could never get it to come down. Lund tuned it and said my intake was fine. I have stated I don't know who is right, maybe the intake has a leak that my pressure test couldn't find, maybe the intake is fine, or maybe it's a different issue affecting the MAF readings.

I am willing to post my Lund logs and maybe some smarter people can figure out how to read them and if they just made a band-aid or actually did something.

 

[K4fxd]

@tdstuart

Yes, send me the new log file.

 

[Ant]

Wengerd tuned my ESS and I couldn’t be happier with it. He answered my questions before I even bought a tune and device. Always replied back quickly. Car drives great. Would definitely recommend.

 

[tdstuart]

This is always a slippery slope remote tuning cars. I took an interest in what my car is doing several years ago and bought an HP Tuners setup so I could at the very least data log my car in real time and get familiar with what a good and bad running car would look like. Once you start to see the data and are able to compare it with real world driving impressions, things become much clearer as to why tuners do what they do and how.

As far as the one poster saying Derel was unable to tune his JLT, man these things are not one off custom built racecars. if the JLT was installed correctly, then one or two revisions to account for minor differences in your car or your temp/DA should be all it takes. He did my JLT/LTH/Full E car just recently and its flawless. Shifts 10x better than stock and runs like an animal. And I have logged the hell out of my car. His fuel trims are within a few percent up and down and there is NO knock and nothing closing the throttle or anything weird I can see.

You really need to take his word for it or try to teach yourself and understand what hes seeing and know there is something else wrong. Blaming the tune, or tuners blaming the car is only going to end well if both parties have data to back it up and can understand what/why the condition is thats happening. In your case with the JLT, I would have pulled it off and completely reinstalled it. Then logged again. Then called JLT and asked for new couplers and so on. This is your car, take some responsibility to understand whats going on and figure out how to fix it. Once the JLT is on correctly and sealed, then go back to Derel and say here are new logs and now the car is off the scale in the opposite direction, what do we do. He can adjust and nail it down. Derel is not a TOONER like those lund secretaries. Hes the real deal - not a paid actor like that other douche youtube lund humper.

You are acting like I didn't spend hours testing the JLT and making sure all was good with it. I pressure-tested it, sprayed brake cleaner to find leaks, and played with the hoses and fittings. The only thing I could find was a small leak when the breather connector was pushed and even when holding it straight with metal or with my hand so it didn't leak nothing changed the fuel trims.

I also put metal mesh after the filter to try to straighten the airflow. I fully cleaned and oiled the filter.

Derel says there is an issue with the JLT, and Lund says there isn't. Believe who you want to believe. I personally couldn't find anything wrong with the JLT.

You are also ignoring the shifting issue that Derel couldn't fix but Lund did.

Edit:
The previous owner of the intake ran it on his car for a while and had no issues with it.

 

[ZXMustang]

You are acting like I didn't spend hours testing the JLT and making sure all was good with it. I pressure-tested it, sprayed brake cleaner to find leaks, and played with the hoses and fittings. The only thing I could find was a small leak when the breather connector was pushed and even when holding it straight with metal or with my hand so it didn't leak nothing changed the fuel trims.

I also put metal mesh after the filter to try to straighten the airflow. I fully cleaned and oiled the filter.

Derel says there is an issue with the JLT, and Lund says there isn't. Believe who you want to believe. I personally couldn't find anything wrong with the JLT.

You are also ignoring the shifting issue that Derel couldn't fix but Lund did.

Edit:
The previous owner of the intake ran it on his car for a while and had no issues with it.

How do you pressure test a cold air intake? Did you cap off the filter end? This JLT is a fucking 10 minute install by an idiot with grandpas hand tools with the wooden handles. How do you fuck that up??

 

[shogun32]

How do you pressure test a cold air intake? Did you cap off the filter end? This JLT is a fucking 10 minute install by an idiot with grandpas hand tools with the wooden handles. How do you fuck that up??

we have yet to ascertain that the intake and all of it's couplers is the source of the problem that lead to crazy-high fuel trims. Nor do we know how Lund "solved" the problem - did they ship a tune so GD rich and not bat an eye at the deviation from "norms"? Who knows.

Personally an intake is the dumbest waste of money I can think of for S550.

 

[tdstuart]

How do you pressure test a cold air intake? Did you cap off the filter end? This JLT is a fucking 10 minute install by an idiot with grandpas hand tools with the wooden handles. How do you fuck that up??

You realize I have built motors, installed headers, done opg and crank sprocket install, lowering springs, manifolds, water pumps, sway bar, engine mounts, starters, injectors, etc..

I am not a beginner when it comes to working on cars.

Yes, I plugged off the breather valves and the intake side of the intake, then pumped air into it.

Thank you for being so condescending. I'm sorry not everyone is as smart and god-like as you. Please show me how to install an intake sir please I am begging, I can only hope to be half as good as you.

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