I called today to check on tracking for my car and asked about the cans at the same time. The guy at FP said the passenger side can was ready to go and a drivers side can was in development. He didn't have a date on it, but said it would be "soon".
Steve,
Your post is actually what I was talking about in terms of vendors saying they're the best without giving actual dataAnd before you dismiss me as another troll, I do think you have a solid product. However, what most vendors lack is data showing how their catch can caught more oil than XYZ brand. Even better would be how the intake has zero oil residue in it after a track day compared to your competitors. That's actual data. Showing where the air is going to flow and pics of the media is good for saying "this is a quality made product". Showing us how well it's actually going to do vs the competition in a real track environment is much much better.
Otherwise we're basically sitting around here saying one brand is better than another because we saw some cool pictures online
All that being said, have you guys considered doing an air/oil separator with an oil return like Crawford and IAG have done for the Subaru community? It effectively makes it a zero maintenance system while fixing the oil blow by issue.
You are asking for a comparison between the UPR oil separator and the others that are still in development, that is like asking for a comparison between the 2016 GT350 and the 2018 GT500.Steve,
Your post is actually what I was talking about in terms of vendors saying they're the best without giving actual data
Otherwise we're basically sitting around here saying one brand is better than another because we saw some cool pictures online
All that being said, have you guys considered doing an air/oil separator with an oil return like Crawford and IAG have done for the Subaru community? It effectively makes it a zero maintenance system while fixing the oil blow by issue.
There are plenty of other cans on the market. Multiples are listed in this thread.
My problem with a zero maintenance return system is that, i've seen more than oil in the bottom of the can. Perhaps it's just broken down oil but it certainly seems like more than that. I wouldn't want that being returned to my oil pan. There is a reason Ford puts blow by in the intake so it can be burned instead of sending it back to the oil pan by use of a check valve.Steve,
Your post is actually what I was talking about in terms of vendors saying they're the best without giving actual data
Otherwise we're basically sitting around here saying one brand is better than another because we saw some cool pictures online
All that being said, have you guys considered doing an air/oil separator with an oil return like Crawford and IAG have done for the Subaru community? It effectively makes it a zero maintenance system while fixing the oil blow by issue.
That's what I was trying to tell you, there have been tests done. It's just on older products. The comparison I saw UPR was up against a brand that was twice as much; RX. RX easily beat out UPR in the tests, but since then UPR has improved their design. I've seen other comparisons where UPR beat out the other competition. Moroso was the third brand I was thinking of.
The stuff besides oil is condensation from inside the block, fuel, and exhaust fumes. It's already in your oil and most of it is burned off or evaporated once the car/oil is up to temp. The return style systems that work well use a coolant line to warm the catch can up to operating temp which helps evaporate the condensation. That's what generally makes the stuff in catch cans look horrible. The other stuff isn't going to hurt anything. Another way to look at it is you're really just catching what's in the air, so a small percentage. Draining the oil back keeps the sump more full and requires less maintenance.
Some good data buried in that thread. Without data like that we wouldn't see improvements being made nearly as much
It is interesting that Bob's is making them for Ford. The picture in the Ford Performance catalog shows a molded plastic OE-looking piece. All the cans on Bob's site are cylindrical aluminum with typical aftermarket brass or anodized fittings.
However, what most vendors lack is data showing how their catch can caught more oil than XYZ brand. Even better would be how the intake has zero oil residue in it after a track day compared to your competitors. That's actual data. Showing where the air is going to flow and pics of the media is good for saying "this is a quality made product". Showing us how well it's actually going to do vs the competition in a real track environment is much much better.
Otherwise we're basically sitting around here saying one brand is better than another because we saw some cool pictures online
They may have been talking about the promotional cars for the track tests.
