VMP Odin

[Jester46]

Explain? I havent heard about this

Its currently the top thread in the "forced induction" section. They apparently had a partnership in which MFP designed and sold them the intake manifold for the V3R blower and VMP had the chinese copy it and there are quality control issues which MFP brought to light on their facebook page. On the surface seems like VMP decided once the R&D was done they didnt wanna pay for it to be manufactured by MFP so they had it done in china to save some $ then issues ensued and they were caught in the act. Just makes me question their integrity. Once you've muddied your name its pretty hard to regain trust and respect. Their stuff isnt cheap and I wanna know they are selling a quality product that they will stand behind in the future and not just looking for the quick buck and best profit margin.

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[Adamone92]

Oh. Oh well. I'm not gonna worry or put much thought into it until the full story comes out.

Hopefully it's not as bad as people seem to think.

Still excited for my Odin kit.

 

[Jester46]

Oh. Oh well. I'm not gonna worry or put much thought into it until the full story comes out.

Hopefully it's not as bad as people seem to think.

Still excited for my Odin kit.

You have the right attitude, I'm more concerned with the support down the road and the quality of the parts. I always feel better about buying great products from great companies.

 

[Adamone92]

True. I've seen nothing but good things about VMP though. I'm not too concerned or worried that will change

 

[Angrey]

Its currently the top thread in the "forced induction" section. They apparently had a partnership in which MFP designed and sold them the intake manifold for the V3R blower and VMP had the chinese copy it and there are quality control issues which MFP brought to light on their facebook page. On the surface seems like VMP decided once the R&D was done they didnt wanna pay for it to be manufactured by MFP so they had it done in china to save some $ then issues ensued and they were caught in the act. Just makes me question their integrity. Once you've muddied your name its pretty hard to regain trust and respect. Their stuff isnt cheap and I wanna know they are selling a quality product that they will stand behind in the future and not just looking for the quick buck and best profit margin.

You're taking a lot of liberties here.

As someone who purchases quite a bit of engineering and design services, there's possibilities here you're not considering.

First let me say I have no skin in this, I don't own any MFP or VMP products.

But it's not unthinkable for them to get engaged and MFP to develop a product or "fix" for something VMP and then demand either a fee/cost to make it more than the market could possibly bare, or even to say any kits sold with it that VMP would have to share profits (or even worse, DISCLOSE books for profits in a sharing arrangement).

There's all sorts of business possibilities in how/why it went sideways. MFP's statement is pretty reserved if VMP actually went outside an agreement. MFP's statement reads to me like "they chose to go cheap and now we're going to scare everyone into believing someone else making our assembly will result in bad outcomes."

We don't know what MFP demanded of VMP to make the piece. We don't know WHY VMP decided to go "cheap" and source in China. I can only ASSUME whatever MFP demanded, it had to be significant because even if you save a couple of bucks, it's risk not to use MFP if they're the ones who helped develop the part.

Everyone is jumping on the VMP sucks bandwagon and we simply don't have all the facts and circumstances. Justin's post eludes to a situation where MFP simply demanded more than he could give. That might mean they wouldn't do it for free (assuming VMP is some sort of vampire) or that they wanted WAY too much to make the piece (assuming MFP is the vampire).

What I'm saying is that looking at this through completely unbiased eyes, it could range from MFP to VMP being the bad guy here (or both, if they were both simply too greedy or stubborn to make it work).

 

[Jester46]

You're taking a lot of liberties here.

As someone who purchases quite a bit of engineering and design services, there's possibilities here you're not considering.

First let me say I have no skin in this, I don't own any MFP or VMP products.

But it's not unthinkable for them to get engaged and MFP to develop a product or "fix" for something VMP and then demand either a fee/cost to make it more than the market could possibly bare, or even to say any kits sold with it that VMP would have to share profits (or even worse, DISCLOSE books for profits in a sharing arrangement).

There's all sorts of business possibilities in how/why it went sideways. MFP's statement is pretty reserved if VMP actually went outside an agreement. MFP's statement reads to me like "they chose to go cheap and now we're going to scare everyone into believing someone else making our assembly will result in bad outcomes."

We don't know what MFP demanded of VMP to make the piece. We don't know WHY VMP decided to go "cheap" and source in China. I can only ASSUME whatever MFP demanded, it had to be significant because even if you save a couple of bucks, it's risk not to use MFP if they're the ones who helped develop the part.

Everyone is jumping on the VMP sucks bandwagon and we simply don't have all the facts and circumstances. Justin's post eludes to a situation where MFP simply demanded more than he could give. That might mean they wouldn't do it for free (assuming VMP is some sort of vampire) or that they wanted WAY too much to make the piece (assuming MFP is the vampire).

What I'm saying is that looking at this through completely unbiased eyes, it could range from MFP to VMP being the bad guy here (or both, if they were both simply too greedy or stubborn to make it work).

I believe there are two sides to the story. I do however find it a little concerning that it wasn't addressed straightforward and immediately if all was done on the up and up. I'm still going through with my Odin install along with some other bolt ons and letting VMP do the work. As I stated before it just strips confidence in a company when an immediate and clear response isn't offered.

 

[Adamone92]

You're taking a lot of liberties here.

As someone who purchases quite a bit of engineering and design services, there's possibilities here you're not considering.

First let me say I have no skin in this, I don't own any MFP or VMP products.

But it's not unthinkable for them to get engaged and MFP to develop a product or "fix" for something VMP and then demand either a fee/cost to make it more than the market could possibly bare, or even to say any kits sold with it that VMP would have to share profits (or even worse, DISCLOSE books for profits in a sharing arrangement).

There's all sorts of business possibilities in how/why it went sideways. MFP's statement is pretty reserved if VMP actually went outside an agreement. MFP's statement reads to me like "they chose to go cheap and now we're going to scare everyone into believing someone else making our assembly will result in bad outcomes."

We don't know what MFP demanded of VMP to make the piece. We don't know WHY VMP decided to go "cheap" and source in China. I can only ASSUME whatever MFP demanded, it had to be significant because even if you save a couple of bucks, it's risk not to use MFP if they're the ones who helped develop the part.

Everyone is jumping on the VMP sucks bandwagon and we simply don't have all the facts and circumstances. Justin's post eludes to a situation where MFP simply demanded more than he could give. That might mean they wouldn't do it for free (assuming VMP is some sort of vampire) or that they wanted WAY too much to make the piece (assuming MFP is the vampire).

What I'm saying is that looking at this through completely unbiased eyes, it could range from MFP to VMP being the bad guy here (or both, if they were both simply too greedy or stubborn to make it work).

Well said. Guess we will see the outcome. Either way, Odin should be here Tuesday and I'm excited. I'll be posting a thread trying to detail my opg/crank sprocket and Odin install as well as I can.

 

[NastyPumpkin]

Is the VMP Odin supercharger made in China?

 

[Jester46]

Is the VMP Odin supercharger made in China?

I sure hope not, for the price it better not be!

 

[Angrey]

I believe there are two sides to the story. I do however find it a little concerning that it wasn't addressed straightforward and immediately if all was done on the up and up. I'm still going through with my Odin install along with some other bolt ons and letting VMP do the work. As I stated before it just strips confidence in a company when an immediate and clear response isn't offered.

we're in the modern age where once the attorney's are involved, the marketing department takes a back seat and keeps their mouths shut. Notice how MFP didn't say that it was unauthorized for VMP to make them from a Chinese source? Their statement is pretty crafty if you read it carefully (like an attorney). They're simply warning others that THEY didn't make it and that there MAY be concerns for damages (and then they go into a bunch of technical). If it was truly something where VMP did it without authority, wouldn't you think that's what they would lead out with? "Hey, we designed this piece for VMP and they decided to take our efforts and have it made elsewhere without our permission or consent." Their statement if you ASSUME, means they wanted more than what VMP was willing to give to make the piece (or they refused to keep up with production demands, or insisted on a cut of the profits, or some aspect that VMP said "we can't live with that.").

We may never know. But like I said, it's presumptive for everyone to jump on in favor of one side or the other (without all the information). Maybe VMP is dirty. Maybe MFP was being unreasonable. Maybe both. We just don't know.

 

[GTFORMULA]

A long time ago I bought a ton of parts for my gt500 from vmp. I got a base mail tune to get it running and was supposed to get it dyno tuned by the owner himself. He was the only tuner back then. Well a date was set. I called to confirm the day before. Loaded up the car and drove 3 hours to his house/ shop. Get there and he isn't there. Then he comes home with his kid and said he couldn't do it after all. His wife comes home and he still refused to tune the car. I told him ill take it out on the highway and data log then he can tune it from his living room. Nope. Ill never give that guy the time of day again. He is a weasel and doesn't have a business ethic. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he has junk made in China.

 

[Wolvee]

Is the VMP Odin supercharger made in China?

Of course it is. lol Well, not the rotor pack, that's bought from another company.

 

[abmobil]

Definitely NOT China and so what if it was. My China Built MT82 works great. The phone y’all are using is likely from China as well.

 

[tyoon]

VMP's Odin kit is literally a harrop blower rip off too. They're falling apart everywhere from trying to patent "porting" on blowers and manifolds and now this whole MFP mess.

I used to be tuned by them but they couldn't even be bothered to look at a data log I sent them.

 

[Angrey]

VMP's Odin kit is literally a harrop blower rip off too. They're falling apart everywhere from trying to patent "porting" on blowers and manifolds and now this whole MFP mess.

I used to be tuned by them but they couldn't even be bothered to look at a data log I sent them.

Maybe, but only for people duped by it.

When VMP started putting their name on TVS blowers, I'm not sure anyone didn't know it wasn't just a rebrand with their flavor of supporting components. It's still the Eaton TVS at it's heart. It's no different than Roush (who does the same thing).

it's like Dewalt. Dewalt makes very little of their own stuff. They just buy a lot of products from other manufacturers and slap their name and brand color on it and sell it. You can literally put some Dewalt generators right next to a Honda and they're the same generator, just a different color and name. If they've made the appropriate arrangements with the base manufacturer no big deal.

Then the lines get blurry with things like "assemblies." Is the Fore or Lethal fuel system REALLY their own stuff? No, it's a kit of combined components made by other people (like Division X, TI, etc).

It's a little unfair to say VMP is ripping anyone off when it's common knowledge they don't make the heart of the blower. They do however add value by doing the research into what porting and changing of the support components results in an improved product.

Eventually if Jokerz or Kong decided to sell blowers with their name on it, again, they'd be selling a base component that's modified with their own research, time, sweat and money poured into it (rather than just a service that modifies the part).

Aftermarket "tuners" are the same breed. Saleen, Roush, Ligenfelter, Hennessey, hell even Shelby American all take someone else's product and make it different/better with a combination of tweaks and parts/pieces and sell it with their own label. Does that mean they're ripping off Ford?

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