MY VOODOO IS USING OIL !

[gravedgr]

Ford's break-in recommendations are not very specific regarding engine load. They only state to avoid "extended" periods of WOT. The phrasing of the question assumes that the recommendation is to go easy on the engine, but that isn't really clear in the instructions. FWIW, I assumed that specifying "extended" periods implied that brief periods of WOT were acceptable, and drove accordingly (once the oil was warm). I strongly believe that I did follow the break-in instructions.

-T

I would agree with your assessment, but I doubt everyone else will. Some will break it in hard, some will apply load cautiously, and some will baby it. The latter group seem to have the most problems. Other manufacturers are often more specific about their "babying" instructions and I've found that many people err on the side of caution and (IMHO) don't do themselves or their engine any favors.

In this case I read the manual and followed it.There are varying opinions on how to break in an engine.I have always done a hard break in on previous engines and never had an oil burner.For the first hundred miles the manual recommended varying rpms which is what i would expect and no "extended" WOT use.They did not say to keep it under a certain rpm as some manuals tend to do. I have the feeling these engines have probably been spun and tested and properly seated right out of the factory. If this wasnt the case then the three or four people who handle your car in transport could be determining how well your initial break in goes. My car had ten miles on it new so who knows??

I think you answered my question without being specific. :cheers:

Engine break in is highly overrated and over-discussed. The only thing that really matters is that the engine oil be at normal operating temp before running it hard. Ford seems to consider this to be 170 degrees or greater. The OP's car has a warranty issue.

I would tend to agree, but the discussion (again, IMHO) usually revolves around people following "break in instructions" that don't apply enough stress to the engine and (can) lead to issues down the road. Again, anecdotal, but I have seen enough to be a believer.

What he said - my never tracked 911 can go through a quart of oil in 1,000 miles. If I do a 3-5 hour roadtrip with speeds in excess of 110mph it will burn even more oil. I've put over 84,000 miles on the car - runs like a champ still but high performance cars can eat oil. Porsche NA put a bulletin out that losing up to 1quart of oil per 600 miles is acceptable for the 997.

I need more miles on the GT350 before I make an assessment.

Is that not crazy? I remember that bulletin and if my car burned that much oil, the dealer and I would be having a long chat regardless of anything from PCNA. That said, before they moved down to the old Ford factory they (PCNA) were right around the corner from my office and the local dealers get (IMHO) some special treatment for them and their clients.

I like your style. I'm getting my car this weekend and I'm going to break it in by driving to work and run errands for a week and autocrossing it for two days straight the next weekend. :cheers:

Absolutely agree with you gravedgr. Op temps in normal range and then high loads (outside of anything close to lugging) and various rpms. Decels are VERY important as well - normally you might be inclined to go clutch-in but during break-in, decel's are very important and should be done at every opportunity. Keep RPMs varied. Note that *most* break in is done within first 20 miles or so. Don't delay with whatever your break-in strategy is.

Agree. I'm sure the folks in my surrounding area wonder what the hell I'm doing when I do this, and I'm sure the GT350 will make even more of a racket. My kids enjoy it, however, and my daughter's favorite phrase is always "Go faster, daddy!".

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[Big reg]

What he said - my never tracked 911 can go through a quart of oil in 1,000 miles. If I do a 3-5 hour roadtrip with speeds in excess of 110mph it will burn even more oil. I've put over 84,000 miles on the car - runs like a champ still but high performance cars can eat oil. Porsche NA put a bulletin out that losing up to 1quart of oil per 600 miles is acceptable for the 997.

I need more miles on the GT350 before I make an assessment.

The BMW E60 M5 was another example of this. Most kept a spare quart or 2 of oil in the trunk. Disheartening but nevertheless BMW said it was normal. :shrug:

 

[montreal ponies]

hey Dan just noticed you finally got your car.Congrats man. How much premium you burning through everyday ( i averaged $200/day in week one lol)

Yep i finally got it last Tuesday and have driven her only 78km so far .

Need to have the driver's side rocker panel replaced under warranty as it has a defect.

Dealer will also have to fix a little dent in the hood as well as a paint booger under the lip of the hood. Minor stuff of course.

I filled her up with Petro Canada 94 and have average 24.4L/100 km. :eyebulge:

This car is a blast to drive, but getting in/out of those Recaros is something else.

Any update from your dealer on your car ?

 

[jasonstang]

Regardless any modern engine should not burn oil. It's not hard to make an engine not burn oil. Toyota has been doing it for years.
Now, with the forged pistons in the Voodoo, which slap a little when cold due to different expansion rate between different materials. If you are one of these who warm up the engine by idling for 5-10 minutes, you are going to go through more oil than those warm up by driving.

 

[Hack]

Regardless any modern engine should not burn oil.

It definitely won't meet emissions requirements if it's burning oil.

 

[rancherogt]

I know my car was run around Flat Rock test track so Ford did most of my engine brake in. But I still broke my engine in hard after the oil was warmed up. I use about a Qt every 3000 which I don't like but accept that Ford did most of my break in. I will always carry a spare Qt with me in the trunk in my J.I.C. box.

On a side note be glad we have a dipstick on these marvelous 5.2s
There are a few manufactures that are selling cars without one just an idiot light on the dash to let you know you have a low engine oil level

 

[jasonstang]

I know my car was run around Flat Rock test track so Ford did most of my engine brake in. But I still broke my engine in hard after the oil was warmed up. I use about a Qt every 3000 which I don't like but accept that Ford did most of my break in. I will always carry a spare Qt with me in the trunk in my J.I.C. box.

On a side note be glad we have a dipstick on these marvelous 5.2s
There are a few manufactures that are selling cars without one just an idiot light on the dash to let you know you have a low engine oil level

Qt every 3000 is not too bad.
I had a E46 BMW that goes though a qt every 2000 miles.
My rotary RX-8 was burning about a qt every 1200 miles but it's a different story.
Porsche and VW's 1 qt every 900 miles is ridiculous.

 

[MAV]

Don't forget that we've got twice the number of valves as most V8s, which doubles the chances of a bad guide/seal to allow oil in the combustion chamber from that pathway. Not that this is even a problem, but it seems that rings are the only discussion item when we talk about oil consumption in the Voodoos.

 

[jasonstang]

Don't forget that we've got twice the number of valves as most V8s, which doubles the chances of a bad guide/seal to allow oil in the combustion chamber from that pathway. Not that this is even a problem, but it seems that rings are the only discussion item when we talk about oil consumption in the Voodoos.

True. Any high performance engines that subject to huge temperature swings will have bigger tolerance so things don't seize up when hot but the problem is when cold, it will leak. Same reason why a lot of people say you need to drive Italian cars hard once a while or it will carbon up bad.

 

[DrumReaper]

Qt every 3000 is not too bad.
I had a E46 BMW that goes though a qt every 2000 miles.
My rotary RX-8 was burning about a qt every 1200 miles but it's a different story.
Porsche and VW's 1 qt every 900 miles is ridiculous.

Yes, the Wankel is a wwwwhhhhhoooolllleeeee different story.

 

[Mosgt350]

Maybe added a quarter of quart between oil changes...definitely let us know whAt the tech says and good luck with solution

 

[SWETRID]

Regardless any modern engine should not burn oil. It's not hard to make an engine not burn oil. Toyota has been doing it for years.
Now, with the forged pistons in the Voodoo, which slap a little when cold due to different expansion rate between different materials. If you are one of these who warm up the engine by idling for 5-10 minutes, you are going to go through more oil than those warm up by driving.

Toyota has had serious oil usage problems over the years, look up the Rav4 debacle. They finally recalled them and put new pistons etc in or buy them back. We have seen tons of the newer Camry's come in with no oil also. I had a Trailblazer SS with 6.0L in it and right in owners manual it says if driven hard 1 quart in 500 miles was normal. It used a quart every 800 miles under normal driving circumstances.

 

[smsgt350]

Yep i finally got it last Tuesday and have driven her only 78km so far .

Need to have the driver's side rocker panel replaced under warranty as it has a defect.

Dealer will also have to fix a little dent in the hood as well as a paint booger under the lip of the hood. Minor stuff of course.

I filled her up with Petro Canada 94 and have average 24.4L/100 km. :eyebulge:

This car is a blast to drive, but getting in/out of those Recaros is something else.

Any update from your dealer on your car ?

The service dept said they would get back to me today...they didn't.Texted my salesman and asked if I could just get a new one as this ones turning out to be a lemon.No reply from him either...weird.

 

[Tomster]

Yeah when the rev limiter kicked in last night a yellow lit message came on in the display that said something like " power reduced to lower engine temperature" I pulled over and was scrambling for the cell phone to take pictures of my temps and the message disappeared.My engine oil temperature was 242 degrees.I dont recall seeing that message the last two times that the rev limiter kicked in.

I'm running a track pack. I'm still sub 1k miles (650 to be exact). I am still breaking the motor in and from time to time, I'll take it up to 8k RPM to vary the engine speed.

You mentioned that you saw 242F oil temp. With spirited driving and a series of 2 consecutive slow revs up to 8k and slow decelleration down from 8k RPM, I saw 250F.

That's higher than my normal 220F oil temps, but 240F shouldn't be causing you any problems. FWIW, under normal driving conditions, those temps came right down to my normal range.

Oil consumption is off, but it doesn't seem unusual to see the temps you are talking about.

 

[smsgt350]

Regardless any modern engine should not burn oil. It's not hard to make an engine not burn oil. Toyota has been doing it for years.
Now, with the forged pistons in the Voodoo, which slap a little when cold due to different expansion rate between different materials. If you are one of these who warm up the engine by idling for 5-10 minutes, you are going to go through more oil than those warm up by driving.

Interesting point about warmup. I basically live in a desert so it is quite chilly first thing in the morning. I let my car warm up until i hear the rpm idle drop which usually takes about 3 or 4 minutes. I drive it quite gently until the oil is up to temperature which usually takes another 10 minutes.I drive my car pretty much every day and follow the same routine.I am in BC so we have some spectacular driving roads in my area that I can really drive this car quite aggressively on however I am always cautious to make sure my temps are up prior to doing so.

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