Mach 1 vs Camaro SS 1LE

[TTown]

Does anyone have any seat time in a Mach 1 and a Camaro SS 1LE (or articles on same)? Any idea on how the handling of the Mach 1 (Non-HP) would compare to the SS 1LE? I only have experience with a '19 GT (non handling pack). Also, any comparision of Mach 1 (non-HP) vs regular GT (non-HP)? I always found the regular GT to be very floaty and not buttoned down at all in twisty roads. Does the handling pack and magna-ride significantly transform the ride? A lot of questions I know.... Any comments would be appreciated.

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[ice445]

Paging @shogun32 lol

 

[shogun32]

The SS/1LE is every bit the equal (superior?) of the GT350. The PP2 and M1 are kissing cousins to the GT350 so you can throw a blanket over the lot. The non-HP has narrower wheels compared to it's peers so maximum grip will pale slightly but not enough to matter.

A magneride car especially when upgraded with the MR Upgrade Pack is a noticeable improvement over non-MR car. But GM does a much better job with the MR programming than Ford can manage.

 

[DrumReaper]

Does anyone have any seat time in a Mach 1 and a Camaro SS 1LE (or articles on same)? Any idea on how the handling of the Mach 1 (Non-HP) would compare to the SS 1LE? I only have experience with a '19 GT (non handling pack). Also, any comparision of Mach 1 (non-HP) vs regular GT (non-HP)? I always found the regular GT to be very floaty and not buttoned down at all in twisty roads. Does the handling pack and magna-ride significantly transform the ride? A lot of questions I know.... Any comments would be appreciated.

Why would you compare a non-HP M1 to a SS1LE?

 

[DarthMalice]

I had a 2016 AT Mustang so I can attest to my Mach 1 being a significantly better experience over that car in handling and power. I do not have the HP on my Mach 1 and it too is an AT. I recently took it to the TOD and was very impressed how locked down it felt on that road in sport.

 

[kz]

Haven't driven Mach 1 but drove stock SS/1LE - it is just about or slightly better where GT PP with Magneride, springs, all bushing replaced with bearings, stiffer bars, camber plates and wider wheels / tires is -
in addition it is lighter (stock car with full tank was 3750lb - for comparison - my car with no rear seat, lightweight driver seat, 8lb battery, Baer rotors and less than a quarter tank of gas weighs 3690).
Between Mach 1 and 1/LE, from pure performance point of view (which isn't 0-60 or quarter mile), 1/LE wins quite easily IMO. But - the visibility issue is real, it's much less packable than a Mustang (transporting 4 wheels with tires is a challenge in it where it's very easy in a Mustang that will also take a bunch of other stuff). Mach 1 looks much better.
Also, 1/LE could (can't speak of now - crazy times) be had much much cheaper (~40k compared to $60k ? for M1) than Mach 1.

 

[shogun32]

Also, 1/LE could (can't speak of now - crazy times) be had much much cheaper (~40k compared to $60k ? for M1) than Mach 1.

yup. 47-53k MSRP vs Ford's "you people will pay anything" pricing.

 

[DrumReaper]

Haven't driven Mach 1 but drove stock SS/1LE - it is just about or slightly better where GT PP with Magneride, springs, all bushing replaced with bearings, stiffer bars, camber plates and wider wheels / tires is -
in addition it is lighter (stock car with full tank was 3750lb - for comparison - my car with no rear seat, lightweight driver seat, 8lb battery, Baer rotors and less than a quarter tank of gas weighs 3690).
Between Mach 1 and 1/LE, from pure performance point of view (which isn't 0-60 or quarter mile), 1/LE wins quite easily IMO. But - the visibility issue is real, it's much less packable than a Mustang (transporting 4 wheels with tires is a challenge in it where it's very easy in a Mustang that will also take a bunch of other stuff). Mach 1 looks much better.
Also, 1/LE could (can't speak of now - crazy times) be had much much cheaper (~40k compared to $60k ? for M1) than Mach 1.

So, you’re saying a SS1LE is a much more track capable car than a M1HP?

 

[TTown]

The SS/1LE is every bit the equal (superior?) of the GT350. The PP2 and M1 are kissing cousins to the GT350 so you can throw a blanket over the lot. The non-HP has narrower wheels compared to it's peers so maximum grip will pale slightly but not enough to matter.

A magneride car especially when upgraded with the MR Upgrade Pack is a noticeable improvement over non-MR car. But GM does a much better job with the MR programming than Ford can manage.

Interesting, thanks.

 

[TTown]

Why would you compare a non-HP M1 to a SS1LE?

Because I'm looking to buy a Mach 1 (non-HP) and was simply curious how far off it might be to an SS 1LE since all I've ever read is how stellar its handling is (alpha chasis, etc etc).

 

[DrumReaper]

Because I'm looking to buy a Mach 1 (non-HP) and was simply curious how far off it might be to an SS 1LE since all I've ever read is how stellar its handling is (alpha chasis, etc etc).

There’s no comparison, IMHO. Comparing a track weapon to a street fighter is not going to help with realistic expectation.

 

[ice445]

There’s no comparison, IMHO. Comparing a track weapon to a steer fighter is not going to help with realistic expectation.

Imo this is rather out of touch. If you were a pro driver, sure, the SS will feel more composed and easier to squeeze a bit more out of. The average driver won't notice that much difference. They're both much faster cars than the average skill level can squeeze for all they are worth.

 

[shogun32]

Because I'm looking to buy a Mach 1 (non-HP) and was simply curious how far off it might be to an SS 1LE since all I've ever read is how stellar its handling is (alpha chasis, etc etc).

fix the Mach1 with all the usual and customary IRS and Diff mods and you'll be close enough for hand grenades'. M1 is Ford's VERY late "we finally stopped dicking around" answer to the SS/1LE.

 

[DrumReaper]

Imo this is rather out of touch. If you were a pro driver, sure, the SS will feel more composed and easier to squeeze a bit more out of. The average driver won't notice that much difference. They're both much faster cars than the average skill level can squeeze for all they are worth.

Which lends credibility to my opinion. The road manners of the 1LE are no match for the road manners of the M1.

 

[TTown]

The Mach 1, likely similar in ability to the PP level 2, can't be too bad given the PPL2 beat the SS 1LE.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a23319884/lightning-lap-times-historical-data/

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