Is it now between Bernie and Bloomberg?

[Docscurlock]

Ha, that's what your supposed to think. Bloomberg came in to create chaos and he did exactly that. I do not know if you watched his first debate but no one bombs as badly as he did until it was intentional. Bloomberg is a very smart man. He was also hopeful that Biden would get his act together. He did and Bloomberg dropped out. He got what he wanted. Now he puts his money behind Joe and blows Bernie out of the water (we hope). Now Bernie has to deal with Warren. She needs to get out or it will hurt him.

I just love it when a plan comes together!!!!

Half a billion dollars to ensure the nomination of a senile old man who will be torn apart by Trump during the election, who has so much baggage, it takes a train to haul his family dealings around and can't remember the day or state he is in. Hmmmm. Not sure about that strategy. The only way he beats Trump is if Trump is too mean to him in the debates they are likely to have. Bernie bros will be so incensed at forever being cheated out of their messiah that I wouldn't plan on them to show up to vote.

Warren will be out soon because of her own dismal delegate count because even the liberals know she is a liar.

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[Bikeman315]

Half a billion dollars to ensure the nomination of a senile old man who will be torn apart by Trump during the election, who has so much baggage, it takes a train to haul his family dealings around and can't remember the day or state he is in. Hmmmm. Not sure about that strategy. The only way he beats Trump is if Trump is too mean to him in the debates they are likely to have. Bernie bros will be so incensed at forever being cheated out of their messiah that I wouldn't plan on them to show up to vote.

Warren will be out soon because of her own dismal delegate count because even the liberals know she is a liar.

A half a billion dollars for Bloomberg is chump change. He wants anyone but Trump in office. He was willing to put his money where his mouth is. It's the American way. As far as Joe, we'll see. It's not as if the man currently in office isn't a few cents short of a dollar bill.

 

[lacanteen]

If Biden is the nominee the Ukraine connection is going to blow wide open. Have you noticed no mention of Hunter for several weeks? Trump kicks ass with Bernie or Biden.

 

[Bikeman315]

If Biden is the nominee the Ukraine connection is going to blow wide open. Have you noticed no mention of Hunter for several weeks? Trump kicks ass with Bernie or Biden.

Have you noticed both side have dropped it? It was mutually assured destruction. The whole thing was a waste of time. That said do not for a minute think Russia will not come up as well. If allowed this could become a bloodbath. Especially if the polls show Trump losing. I'd like to see both sides not waste our time with any of this BS and stick to the issues. Fat chance, right?

 

[shogun32]

If Biden is the nominee the Ukraine connection is going to blow wide open.

Just because the MSM is spiking stories on Hunter doesn't mean he's not in the news... Biden doesn't have the panache to bald-face lie like the Clintons have perfected. Now that the Uke's have opened a criminal probe for real, there's going to be ample opportunity for it to be cited in opposition ads. I've said it before: the Dems had any brains they'd just give up on this Presidential election and spend their money down ticket.

 

[Docscurlock]

A half a billion dollars for Bloomberg is chump change. He wants anyone but Trump in office. He was willing to put his money where his mouth is. It's the American way. As far as Joe, we'll see. It's not as if the man currently in office isn't a few cents short of a dollar bill.

No one with that kind of money blows a half billion without expecting a ROI.

 

[Docscurlock]

If Biden is the nominee the Ukraine connection is going to blow wide open. Have you noticed no mention of Hunter for several weeks? Trump kicks ass with Bernie or Biden.

Impeachment 2.0

 

[IPOGT]

Anyone thought that Biden is a shill for a takeover by the chosen VP? With all his gaffs, does anyone think it may be odd?
For instance, Michelle Obama or Hillary become president as sitting VP as Biden becomes unfit for whatever reason. Expressway to the presidency for Hillary one way or another I suppose.

 

[watisthis]

Ha, that's what your supposed to think. Bloomberg came in to create chaos and he did exactly that. I do not know if you watched his first debate but no one bombs as badly as he did until it was intentional. Bloomberg is a very smart man. He was also hopeful that Biden would get his act together. He did and Bloomberg dropped out. He got what he wanted. Now he puts his money behind Joe and blows Bernie out of the water (we hope). Now Bernie has to deal with Warren. She needs to get out or it will hurt him.

I just love it when a plan comes together!!!!

Bloomberg thought his money would have conned more people, hell he did pretty damn good for being a terrible human being he just ran as the wrong political affiliation. Biden literally hasn't gotten his act together, lmao. Biden is so terrible that this is going to be Trump V Clinton round 2. Trump is going to absolutely destroy Biden on everything. I can already see the ads on Trump getting us out of a war that Biden voted to get us into, it's going to be a fucking blood bath.

 

[watisthis]

The GOP and almost every American are already diagnosing Biden with dementia full stop and he's only going to give the GOP more material. Biden is like a dinosaur and Trump is about to be the asteroid hurtling towards Earth and the DNC is pretending it doesn't exist. The dumbshit DNC didn't learn their lesson in 2016 and it sure seems they aren't about to now. They deserve to get absolutely destroyed in the general maybe then they'll learn after they lose 2 more supreme court seats.

 

[lacanteen]

Anyone thought that Biden is a shill for a takeover by the chosen VP? With all his gaffs, does anyone think it may be odd?
For instance, Michelle Obama or Hillary become president as sitting VP as Biden becomes unfit for whatever reason. Expressway to the presidency for Hillary one way or another I suppose.

Hmmmmmmmm

 

[Hack]

Meds are expensive here in the US because there are a million regulations, a million hoops to jump through to get them qualified to sell - and then the company can still be sued for millions if someone dies taking the medication.

Other countries it's more of a free for all and there's less liability.

You can't have it both ways. You can't require the company to spend tons of money making sure a drug is safe - still hold them responsible even after going through all the testing and THEN have the drug be super cheap. It's impossible for a company to make money if you do that. All the drug companies will end up out of business.

If you want drugs to be cheap you have to make it cheap to manufacture the drugs and you have to reduce the company's liability if a customer has a medical condition from the drug.

 

[shogun32]

You can't have it both ways. You can't require the company to spend tons of money making sure a drug is safe - still hold them responsible even after going through all the testing and THEN have the drug be super cheap.

The FDA is definitely part of the problem - Congress and the Prez can "easily" fix that problem but have refused to do so for decades. Other countries prohibit "unreasonable prices" as a condition for sale. Why is it OK for USA citizens to be royally abused in the pocket book (3-50x) just to subsidize the rest of the world? Is our average citizen wealth 3-50x that of UK, Germany, or France? If you're the home team you're supposed to be cheaper than overseas and the envy of the planet.

Our scientists are no more expensive than France and our equipment likewise. Their FDA is quite liberal by comparison. Drugs are developed in USA because the opportunity for outrageous profits is much higher here and the patent system can be trivially abused, and our laws deliberately shield companies from competition and honest price discovery.

 

[watisthis]

Meds are expensive here in the US because there are a million regulations, a million hoops to jump through to get them qualified to sell - and then the company can still be sued for millions if someone dies taking the medication.

Other countries it's more of a free for all and there's less liability.

You can't have it both ways. You can't require the company to spend tons of money making sure a drug is safe - still hold them responsible even after going through all the testing and THEN have the drug be super cheap. It's impossible for a company to make money if you do that. All the drug companies will end up out of business.

If you want drugs to be cheap you have to make it cheap to manufacture the drugs and you have to reduce the company's liability if a customer has a medical condition from the drug.

Almost. The research and several round of clinical trails is what costs money. Can the FDA drug approval process be loosened to save more lives at the risk of negative publicity to the FDA when an approved drug harms or kills people which will result in not trusting the FDA at all? Sure. Live will be saved and lives will be lost, the balance of regulatory rigor, costs, and lives saved/lost need to be examined, preferably with a focus on the lives aspect.

I'll quote myself from another thread on why it's so expensive. -

"Firstly, the problem with our insurance industry isn't all just X amounts of profit. It's really free market inflation in a closed loop.

Look at it this way, drug company X raises the price of medications because insurance Y must cover the cost. Drug company X gives cash rebates to insurance companies who use drug Z.

Person with insurance Y gets prescribed Z, costing lets say 2000, the insurance covers that 2000 but gets 1900 back from X. Ensuring Y covers drug Z not A. All this does is screw people without insurance because they still see the 2000 bill. This is done because every time someone raises up the price slightly they make a small profit before all the other costs adjust. While bureaucracy is turning they have 6 months of profit on drug Z.

Lastly, this works in reverse at hospitals. Insurance companies charge multi million dollar coverage costs for doctors. Those doctors have to charge tens of thousands of dollars for simple procedures which the insurance companies cover. That money only really moves on paper and screws the little guy.

This is out of control because the US has a massively litigious culture for many reasons most of which is because people are just plain poor, and when someone who gets hurt in a hospital can't work or at anytime might not be able to work they lose their insurance. So they must pay medical expenses out of pocket which in turn means millions of settlements by insurers. It really is a great scheme when you have a whole bunch of people who think this is ok until it happens to them or someone they know."

 

[Hack]

The FDA is definitely part of the problem - Congress and the Prez can "easily" fix that problem but have refused to do so for decades. Other countries prohibit "unreasonable prices" as a condition for sale. Why is it OK for USA citizens to be royally abused in the pocket book (3-50x) just to subsidize the rest of the world? Is our average citizen wealth 3-50x that of UK, Germany, or France? If you're the home team you're supposed to be cheaper than overseas and the envy of the planet.

Our scientists are no more expensive than France and our equipment likewise. Their FDA is quite liberal by comparison. Drugs are developed in USA because the opportunity for outrageous profits is much higher here and the patent system can be trivially abused, and our laws deliberately shield companies from competition and honest price discovery.

If the drugs were too expensive people wouldn't buy them. So obviously you are wrong about the drugs being too expensive. People must prefer the effect of taking the drug over hanging onto that cash. And there must not be cheaper alternatives that are acceptable to those people who are purchasing the drug.

I object to your characterization of profits being outrageous. Pretty offensive language.

Regulating prices is the way to shortages and lack of medication. If a company can't profit from their work, they will stop doing the work. Then we ALL lose. The medications won't be available at all.

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