I like COVID 19

[Hack]

Bias = young people are getting COVID, backed up with fact. That is biased? You're an interesting piece of...work.

I won't personally insult you back. Yes, I think your post was exaggerating how many younger people are having their health jeopardized by Covid. Just like the environmental wackos say that the ice at the poles is going to melt or we are all going to die if we don't give up the ICE automobile. Very similar situations arguing that something is more dangerous than reality shows in order to justify more government control over peoples' lives.

I'm not saying that people aren't going to die from Covid. Just like car accidents, the flu, etc. And yes, people can catch it quickly which can overwhelm hospitals. So short term trying to slow it - yes I agree with that. I just don't agree with the "cures" that will cause more pain than the disease.

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[Caballus]

I won't personally insult you back. Yes, I think your post was exaggerating how many younger people are having their health jeopardized by Covid. Just like the environmental wackos say that the ice at the poles is going to melt or we are all going to die if we don't give up the ICE automobile. Very similar situations arguing that something is more dangerous than reality shows in order to justify more government control over peoples' lives.

I'm not saying that people aren't going to die from Covid. Just like car accidents, the flu, etc. And yes, people can catch it quickly which can overwhelm hospitals. So short term trying to slow it - yes I agree with that. I just don't agree with the "cures" that will cause more pain than the disease.

"Plenty other examples" is an exaggerated number. Ok, got it. Thanks for your insight. Interesting piece of...work, as always.

 

[Gregs24]

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/coronavirus-outbreak-united-kingdom-response-outlier/

Exactly - circumstances and data change and so should the response. As I also said before this pandemic is not over and jumping to conclusions about who dealt with it in the best way are very premature at this stage. More recent data I posted yesterday actually contradicts the Imperial study - it really isn't black and white.

 

[Burkey]

And do you know what, I will be wrong again, and maybe right sometimes too. What I will always do though is use the latest data available to form an opinion which will vary as the data changes. That is how science works and advances, the moment you close off your mind and think you know the answer you are doomed.

As regards the UK management of the disease. It is easy to criticise when it has been done a little differently from others (as in the UK MUST have got it wrong) but do you know what - we haven't finished this outbreak yet so making conclusions about which country got it right and wrong is very premature. The UK government is responding to all data it receives on a daily basis to modify the response - that is the correct thing to do.

All true.
What I’m seeing here in Australia is criticism of the government in two directions. Either they haven’t done enough, or, they’re going too far.
Without the benefit of time for critical analysis, committees, studies and the rest of the usual suspects, we see a government doing their best to deal with an unforeseen issue based on the advice they’re receiving from medical professionals.
I’m not sure how a government can form a better response at this point in time.

 

[Gregs24]

All true.
What I’m seeing here in Australia is criticism of the government in two directions. Either they haven’t done enough, or, they’re going too far.
Without the benefit of time for critical analysis, committees, studies and the rest of the usual suspects, we see a government doing their best to deal with an unforeseen issue based on the advice they’re receiving from medical professionals.
I’m not sure how a government can form a better response at this point in time.

It is amazing how forthright some peoples views and opinions can be when they are not in a position of responsibility. That's life.

 

[Biggus Dickus]

I have discovered something good about Covid-19:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/business/craft-brewers-coronavirus-closures-layoffs/index.html

Death to pretentious d-bag beer snobs - your long awaited reckoning has finally come. Time to commit suicide with a beer bong full of Coors light.

 

[Gregs24]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52056111

Interesting summary

 

[Caballus]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52056111

Interesting summary

Good read, but a little off when it compares IT lock down to others, because it doesn't account for IT's incremental approach. IT started with zones and towns in the North well before other nations responded in kind. They then progressed to a total lock down of the country at about the same time as the UK (by a day or two). The UK announcement followed Germany, Belgium, Denmark and most of the continent overall. What made the UK lock down most notable was that it was a shift in policy that had previously been based on the idea that only the vulnerable should be protected, as you noted before.

Still a good summary, particularly in the way it looks at trends.

 

[Gregs24]

Good read, but a little off when it compares IT lock down to others, because it doesn't account for IT's incremental approach. IT started with zones and towns in the North well before other nations responded in kind. They then progressed to a total lock down of the country at about the same time as the UK (by a day or two). The UK announcement followed Germany, Belgium, Denmark and most of the continent overall. What made the UK lock down most notable was that it was a shift in policy that had previously been based on the idea that only the vulnerable should be protected, as you noted before.

Still a good summary, particularly in the way it looks at trends.

As far as I can remember the Italian lockdown in the north was only a handful of days before the full country.

 

[Caballus]

As far as I can remember the Italian lockdown in the north was only a handful of days before the full country.

Started first week of March.

 

[Caballus]

As far as I can remember the Italian lockdown in the north was only a handful of days before the full country.

Couple good supplemental articles that capture Italy's incremental approach when they were on the forefront of figuring this out:

https://www.contagionlive.com/news/italy-closes-schools-nationwide-over-covid19

https://www.contagionlive.com/news/italy-on-lockdown-in-response-to-covid19

 

[Gregs24]

Not wishing to become a target for criticism - but is the US response really as disjointed as it seems ?

I accept that the US states are as big as some European countries which have all done their own thing, but I would have thought the advantage of those states being part of a single country and administration would be that the approach to disease control would be more coordinated. Not for example NYC and Rhode Island fighting with each other over a potential lockdown. It is all just wasting time you don't have.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52080119

 

[Caballus]

Not wishing to become a target for criticism - but is the US response really as disjointed as it seems ?

I accept that the US states are as big as some European countries which have all done their own thing, but I would have thought the advantage of those states being part of a single country and administration would be that the approach to disease control would be more coordinated. Not for example NYC and Rhode Island fighting with each other over a potential lockdown. It is all just wasting time you don't have.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52080119

I am with @Docscurlock when it comes to wondering why you are so worried about the U.S. response, particularly when you consider how slow the UK was to respond or even recognize the situation for what it was, despite the data coming out of Italy. Why not drop the "non-criticism" criticism and share useful best practices? More useful than garden videos that is...

 

[Gregs24]

I am with @Docscurlock when it comes to wondering why you are so worried about the U.S. response, particularly when you consider how slow the UK was to respond or even recognize the situation for what it was, despite the data coming out of Italy. Why not drop the "non-criticism" criticism and share useful best practices? More useful than garden videos that is...

Why do you take offence so easily when anything is posted with US in the subject? You really need to take a chill pill mate.

I think the US is doing a fantastic job of controlling the spread of COVID19 - there, does that make you feel better ? (I don't by the way)

Why is it so offensive to post a view based on an attached reference that seems to support that view. If I was saying Caballus is a grade A (insert your favourite insult here) then fair enough, be offended, but I was actually asking a question on the US part of a forum about something we have had reported here, about what is happening in the US. What is invalid or insulting about that ?

If every word I post offends you, I suggest you ignore my posts rather than just replying with the same 'I'm offended, you can't have an opinion' type reply as it is just a waste of pixels.

 

[Caballus]

Why do you take offence so easily when anything is posted with US in the subject? You really need to take a chill pill mate.

I think the US is doing a fantastic job of controlling the spread of COVID19 - there, does that make you feel better ? (I don't by the way)

Why is it so offensive to post a view based on an attached reference that seems to support that view. If I was saying Caballus is a grade A (insert your favourite insult here) then fair enough, be offended, but I was actually asking a question on the US part of a forum about something we have had reported here, about what is happening in the US. What is invalid or insulting about that ?

If every word I post offends you, I suggest you ignore my posts rather than just replying with the same 'I'm offended, you can't have an opinion' type reply as it is just a waste of pixels.

You're response is based on a false premise. I take no offense whatsoever. You may recall that I defended your right to criticize based on the fact the our (American) statements effect the world.

Nevertheless, you seem obsessed with criticizing the U.S. rather than critiquing the UK response and providing more insight than a falsely founded garden speech.

What is the situation in the UK right now? What of it is imperfect? What can others learn from it? Mind sharing?

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