I like COVID 19

[Caballus]

I am completely NOT missing the point. That is exactly correct but will vary from country to country and time to time. It is very clear that there will be periods of restrictions of varying severity to manage the case load (I have posted this many times in more detail) I am in no doubt that this will still be going on next winter in the UK from time to time when there are spikes in cases - but it depends on population immunity and duration which is why the antibody test is so crucial for modelling

Those were your words, not mine. I agreed with some of your points early on, and respected the ones I disagreed with. Now, you come across as a flip-flopper; just my assessment based on YOUR words.

I also believe the UK's initial position, articulated by you, was irresponsible. You don't put people at risk while waiting on testing capability; you protect them while waiting on testing capability.

Finally, there is no evidence to lead anyone to believe this will be seasonal. Italy is pretty temperate, as is Wuhan for that matter. So, again, unfounded assumptions are dangerous, whether related to a blind assumption of immunity, age, or seasonality. We need to slow the spread so we can study the virus and develop countermeasures for it--be that immunization, treatment, facilities, or all of the above.

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[Gregs24]

Worth a giggle

 

[Gregs24]

Those were your words, not mine. I agreed with some of your points early on, and respected the ones I disagreed with. Now, you come across as a flip-flopper; just my assessment based on YOUR words.

I also believe the UK's initial position, articulated by you, was irresponsible. You don't put people at risk while waiting on testing capability; you protect them while waiting on testing capability.

Finally, there is no evidence to lead anyone to believe this will be seasonal. Italy is pretty temperate, as is Wuhan for that matter. So, again, unfounded assumptions are dangerous, whether related to a blind assumption of immunity, age, or seasonality. We need to slow the spread so we can study the virus and develop countermeasures for it--be that immunization, treatment, facilities, or all of the above.

You really need to read carefully before posting - I did NOT say it was seasonal, I said it will 'still be going on next winter in the UK' as a definition of time scale - as in not a quick resolution

Why this flip-flopper talk - I've explained how and why my views and administrations can change (and should do based on changing data) - if this makes me and them a flip-flopper then so be it. Better than sticking to the 'obvious' without questioning it eh ?

 

[Caballus]

You really need to read carefully before posting - I did NOT say it was seasonal, I said it will 'still be going on next winter in the UK' as a definition of time scale - as in not a quick resolution

Why this flip-flopper talk - I've explained how and why my views and administrations can change (and should do based on changing data) - if this makes me and them a flip-flopper then so be it. Better than sticking to the 'obvious' without questioning it eh ?

If you say so.

 

[Gregs24]

If you say so.

I do

 

[Caballus]

I do

Then clearly it is so.

 

[Shadow277]

You know what I mean - it isn't what the general public refer to as flu

Yeah, and people think a recession is just fancy talk for depression; it ain't.

 

[Gregs24]

Moving on from last nights banter. The paper published yesterday is very interesting and shows just what a fluid situation we are in from a modelling point of view and how VERY small changes can have huge impacts on the pandemic.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/03/oxford-study-coronavirus-may-have-infected-half-of-u-k.html

There is a link in this news item to the paper itself which is summarised in the article. In that summary a few days difference in the start of spread and small changes in transmission rates and susceptibility make a massive difference. This is why I was saying that antibody testing is so crucial to understanding the dynamics of spread. The only people that will get the control measures spot on all the way through will be those with hindsight !

 

[Interceptor]

"Never let a crisis go to waste"

 

[olaosunt]

Ok, bottom line is you (personally) were very self-righteous before and insulting those with other positions. You (personally) argued strongly that it was stupid to try to slow the spread by isolating, as that would only delay the impact on healthcare to a time when it was less capable of handing the load. The young, according to you (personally), should be allowed to be exposed in order to build an immunity that no one to this point has confirmed will even exist.

Now, your (very own) son is affected and you have seen the light. Yet, now you (personally) continue to criticize others (i.e., the U.S.). I am in the heart of Europe and lead a multinational team that regularly travels much of the world. I have a good feel for the conditions of each European country for sure, to include yours where one colleague is currently stranded. Yours, by the way, was the slowest in the West to respond, despite the obvious facts before us all.

Your self-righteous flip flopping is epic.

Best to your son.

Very well written .
You sir ,have a way with words.
I don’t but I think what you are saying is people say things like he did , as long is it’s “another one’s ox that is gored “.

 

[Burkey]

Sorry didn't clock where you were.

Opinions change based on the evidence available - if they don't then you are doomed. I did support the previous argument, but equally accept the changed position based on the changing evidence.

Gotta admire someone who’s willing to admit that they were wrong.

 

[Gregs24]

Very well written .
You sir ,have a way with words.
I don’t but I think what you are saying is people say things like he did , as long is it’s “another one’s ox that is gored “.

Please read my later post with links attached. There will be plenty of 'flip-flopping' going on in the next few months as understanding of the disease improves. If you don't like that then you are going to find the next few months hard going.

I keep emphasising this is a GLOBAL issue and gloating over other countries and where they are at / coping is pointless. Me saying the US is about to have a crisis and the need to take it seriously is NOT gloating. It is saying please take it seriously.

 

[Gregs24]

Gotta admire someone who’s willing to admit that they were wrong.

And do you know what, I will be wrong again, and maybe right sometimes too. What I will always do though is use the latest data available to form an opinion which will vary as the data changes. That is how science works and advances, the moment you close off your mind and think you know the answer you are doomed.

As regards the UK management of the disease. It is easy to criticise when it has been done a little differently from others (as in the UK MUST have got it wrong) but do you know what - we haven't finished this outbreak yet so making conclusions about which country got it right and wrong is very premature. The UK government is responding to all data it receives on a daily basis to modify the response - that is the correct thing to do.

 

[Caballus]

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/03/coronavirus-outbreak-united-kingdom-response-outlier/

 

[olaosunt]

Please read my later post with links attached. There will be plenty of 'flip-flopping' going on in the next few months as understanding of the disease improves. If you don't like that then you are going to find the next few months hard going.

I keep emphasising this is a GLOBAL issue and gloating over other countries and where they are at / coping is pointless. Me saying the US is about to have a crisis and the need to take it seriously is NOT gloating. It is saying please take it seriously.

And you too write well . It is nice to see well put together arguments backed by facts (not the “alternate” type) without name calling . Lol
P.S ... and I agree that this is indeed a GLOBAL issue .
Carry on .

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