Heel-toe struggles

[RedStallion27]

2016 occasional track car and I’m struggling to perfect heel-toe downshifting.

My leg is too long for actual heel-toe with the pivot. My knee hits the steering column if I twist my leg counter-clockwise like that.

So I’ve been trying to get the ankle roll method to work, tilting the right side of my foot over to blip the throttle. But the gas pedal is too far away to reach. Nylon spacers didn’t help so removed them

I then installed the Steeda heel-toe gas pedal and that helped but created a new problem - now I can’t go full brake without accidentally pushing the gas pedal as well.

Has anyone successfully worked through this? What did you do?

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How fast are you going?

 

[Dana Pants]

I just don’t. I put the shifter in the correct gear and then add gas and let the clutch out when the turn transitions from braking to accelerating. My friends absolutely despise this method and say I am extremely wrong. You can see me using the forbidden method a few times in this lap:

 

[WItoTX]

Bought a blip module. All the struggles listed are why I did it. I can make my feet work, but on track but, it was just easier to install the blip and be done with it. The pedals line up poorly, and for a fast lap, I couldn't find a method that allowed transmission braking into turns. And without that I didn't get the balance in turns to feel comfortable in turns.

I'm sure it can be learned though, others have.

 

[accel]

2016 occasional track car and I’m struggling to perfect heel-toe downshifting.

My leg is too long for actual heel-toe with the pivot. My knee hits the steering column if I twist my leg counter-clockwise like that.

So I’ve been trying to get the ankle roll method to work, tilting the right side of my foot over to blip the throttle. But the gas pedal is too far away to reach. Nylon spacers didn’t help so removed them

I then installed the Steeda heel-toe gas pedal and that helped but created a new problem - now I can’t go full brake without accidentally pushing the gas pedal as well.

Has anyone successfully worked through this? What did you do?

I could not heel&toe until I followed some of the threads here on this topic.

Stock gas pedal is too low relative to the brake. Get some cheap washers from home depot and lift the pedal per your taste. Super easy to do.

After this the gas pedal pad is optional. I got steeda as it is very easy to adjust left-right. You can drill holes for the pad per your geometry.

There's no way yo cannot adjust it for yourself playing with height and left/right adjustability. Also working with seat position. If steeda pad gets in the way - redrill holes to shift it away.

What kind of footwear are you having?

 

[RedStallion27]

How fast are you going?

Not fast at all. I'm new to track driving. But I've driven manuals all my life and can't comprehend why this technique is so difficult for me to learn. It's not the timing; it's syncing my foot placement in relation to the pedals.

 

[RedStallion27]

I just don’t. I put the shifter in the correct gear and then add gas and let the clutch out when the turn transitions from braking to accelerating. My friends absolutely despise this method and say I am extremely wrong. You can see me using the forbidden method a few times in this lap:

I might have to just do this as well. You must have a very controlled clutch motion in order for it to work smoothly.

 

[RedStallion27]

Bought a blip module. All the struggles listed are why I did it. I can make my feet work, but on track but, it was just easier to install the blip and be done with it. The pedals line up poorly, and for a fast lap, I couldn't find a method that allowed transmission braking into turns. And without that I didn't get the balance in turns to feel comfortable in turns.

I'm sure it can be learned though, others have.

Definitely something to consider if it continues to be a problem. Which module did you buy and do you recommend it?

 

[RedStallion27]

I could not heel&toe until I followed some of the threads here on this topic.

Stock gas pedal is too low relative to the brake. Get some cheap washers from home depot and lift the pedal per your taste. Super easy to do.

After this the gas pedal pad is optional. I got steeda as it is very easy to adjust left-right. You can drill holes for the pad per your geometry.

There's no way yo cannot adjust it for yourself playing with height and left/right adjustability. Also working with seat position. If steeda pad gets in the way - redrill holes to shift it away.

What kind of footwear are you having?

Thanks. I tried washers before the pedal first and didn't like the feel. The gas pedal was in the way when trying to brake normally, but I suppose maybe I'd get used to the change.

Good call on trying different left/right placement of the Steeda pedal. I will give that a shot.

I'm using casual sneakers. Vans or similar.

 

[WItoTX]

Definitely something to consider if it continues to be a problem. Which module did you buy and do you recommend it?

Xingineering. I like it a lot. Super simple, only drawback is needing a laptop to dial in, and if you don't kill it before the cool down lap, it can catch you off guard car coming into pits.

It's a bit of a pain to install, easiest to pull the driver's seat. But not horrible all said and done.

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