GT 13.1 What's wrong?

[Livernois Motorsports]

lol

so I can bring you my stock auto that dyno'd at 340's, and your tune with no cai is going to put me at 4 teens???

I would take my supercharger off, put the car back to completely stock, and put $20,000 that you don't make 4 teens...

I've never seen a tune pick up 70rwhp.....

Except for the fact that we have posted numerous videos showing that we routinely make more power than "Your" Lund tunes .

So you would rather try to bash us than help a customer of yours get the best product available?

Look at the CF and the type of data displayed, they are the same. Our car baselined at 395rwhp. Sounds like you might need to have a certified professional calibrate your dyno if all you got was 340rwhp out of the stock car.

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[beefcake]

Except for the fact that we have posted numerous videos showing that we routinely make more power than "Your" Lund tunes .

So you would rather try to bash us than help a customer of yours get the best product available?

Look at the CF and the type of data displayed, they are the same. Our car baselined at 395rwhp. Sounds like you might need to have a certified professional calibrate your dyno if all you got was 340rwhp out of the stock car.

our dyno is calibrated fine,

I am not bashing you at all, I'm simply saying, that if you are going to guarantee 70rwhp pickups on stock cars, I'm all in.

and to be honest, I could care less about dyno numbers

I care about what the cars run at the track

and our "lund tunes" regularly outrun everyone at the track...

 

[foghat]

Except for the fact that we have posted numerous videos showing that we routinely make more power than "Your" Lund tunes .

So you would rather try to bash us than help a customer of yours get the best product available?

Look at the CF and the type of data displayed, they are the same. Our car baselined at 395rwhp. Sounds like you might need to have a certified professional calibrate your dyno if all you got was 340rwhp out of the stock car.

Videos where you are running your tune and then the lund tune on the same car using the same dyno on the same day?

If your car baselined at 395, it is quite obvious you can't be comparing your peak tuned numbers to OPs numbers.

 

[Mark5825]

The only baseline dyno I have was with my catback already installed and it was on the Mustang dyno from the shop that did the tune.

W/Catback 335 HP, 329 TQ
Add Lund 345 HP, 329 TQ
Add Theirs 351 HP, 357 TQ

I didn't get to see all of the information so I wouldn't be surprised if they just ran the Lund once and didn't give it a try (as my car has gone up with multiple dyno runs). Then they would obviously pick their best graph. HP is within variance of dyno I feel but that TQ never made sense.

 

[anotherneon]

Except for the fact that we have posted numerous videos showing that we routinely make more power than "Your" Lund tunes .

So you would rather try to bash us than help a customer of yours get the best product available?

Look at the CF and the type of data displayed, they are the same. Our car baselined at 395rwhp. Sounds like you might need to have a certified professional calibrate your dyno if all you got was 340rwhp out of the stock car.

He has the fastest car on the planet!....the freaking PLANET!! And he's quick to point out other companies "marketing"

 

[anotherneon]

The only baseline dyno I have was with my catback already installed and it was on the Mustang dyno from the shop that did the tune.

W/Catback 335 HP, 329 TQ
Add Lund 345 HP, 329 TQ
Add Theirs 351 HP, 357 TQ

I didn't get to see all of the information so I wouldn't be surprised if they just ran the Lund once and didn't give it a try (as my car has gone up with multiple dyno runs). Then they would obviously pick their best graph. HP is within variance of dyno I feel but that TQ never made sense.

there's more to it than just peak numbers. Let the time slips do the talking.

 

[foghat]

He has the fastest car on the planet!....the freaking PLANET!! And he's quick to point out other companies "marketing"

there's more to it than just peak numbers. Let the time slips do the talking.

Do you see the irony in these two posts?

 

[beefcake]

Do you see the irony in these two posts?

lol

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Do you see the irony in these two posts?

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Yes John Lund has the fastest S550 that has yet to hit a track.

Beefcake does not do any of the tuning or engineering of his own. Whereas, places like Vortech, Lund, Livernois, ProCharger, Whipple, etc all do their own engineering, tuning, development and the like. Being a vendor and being the source are two very different things. Companies like us do more than assemble other companies products, and then run them on the track. There is a reason that we get vehicles (more than just Mustangs) delivered to us from all over the world. Over 50% of our cross manufacturer business is from outside of the motor city. And over 70% of our business are products that we develop or engineer ourselves.

 

[foghat]

Honestly, BOTH tunes seem to be a little down on power. The tunes are down about 20rwhp, vs our stock car tune. And then our tuning for our Windstorm and JLT CAIs add around an additional 14rwhp!

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Yes John Lund has the fastest S550 that has yet to hit a track.

Beefcake does not do any of the tuning or engineering of his own. Whereas, places like Vortech, Lund, Livernois, ProCharger, Whipple, etc all do their own engineering, tuning, development and the like. Being a vendor and being the source are two very different things. Companies like us do more than assemble other companies products, and then run them on the track. There is a reason that we get vehicles (more than just Mustangs) delivered to us from all over the world. Over 50% of our cross manufacturer business is from outside of the motor city. And over 70% of our business are products that we develop or engineer ourselves.

Thread derailment complete.

 

[anotherneon]

Do you see the irony in these two posts?

I see you trying to draw the line to irony, but it stops there. Comparing a plain jane customer car with a canned tune to a shop car with a remote tune with the same tuner isnt a fair comparison. The truth will come out sooner than later and you all will see. Dont let Beeftits persuade you into thinking he is a one stop shop and put some consideration into Livernois. I'll leave it at that.

 

[anotherneon]

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Thread derailment complete.

You sure are the instigator. What do you have done to your car? There are vendors on this board why try to show the light to members and then there are those who do the best they can to get you to drink the Kool-aid.

 

[beefcake]

I see you trying to draw the line to irony, but it stops there. Comparing a plain jane customer car with a canned tune to a shop car with a remote tune with the same tuner isnt a fair comparison. The truth will come out sooner than later and you all will see. Dont let Beeftits persuade you into thinking he is a one stop shop and put some consideration into Livernois. I'll leave it at that.

Livernois does a great job, I've never said anything other than that.

When it comes to tuning, they do a great job as well. Do I think lund is better when it comes to the coyote. I do, and the records speak for themselves.

As far as one stop shop, we do everything other than the tuning, and the engine building.

We use lund for tuning, as he is the best in the business. We use BES for our engines, because they are the best in the business.

We are not as large as livernois, does not mean you won't get quality work.

We regularly get cars shipped in from out of state as well..

 

[foghat]

I see you trying to draw the line to irony, but it stops there. Comparing a plain jane customer car with a canned tune to a shop car with a remote tune with the same tuner isnt a fair comparison. The truth will come out sooner than later and you all will see. Dont let Beeftits persuade you into thinking he is a one stop shop and put some consideration into Livernois. I'll leave it at that.

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. Where does the shop car come from and who is comparing it to a customer car? This entire thread has been about the 'customer' car.

Regarding the irony, the majority of this thread aside: in one post you are quoting Livernois where they state they routinely make more power than lund and then you poke fun at Beef having the the fastest s550

In the very next post you tell OP to essentially not worry about the dyno and the proof is in the time slips. :shrug:

You sure are the instigator. What do you have done to your car? There are vendors on this board why try to show the light to members and then there are those who do the best they can to get you to drink the Kool-aid.

I have done nothing to my car yet. Not quite sure how that is relevant.

Pretty much this entire thread I have been suggesting what I can to help the OP out. If you want to talk about instigating, how about posting that both of OPs tunes are down on power. And then the proof provided is peak numbers on dynochart from a tuned car that base lined 8ish hp higher than OPs modified runs.

If I'm drinking Beef's kool-aid, you are drinking Livernois'. Bottom's up. :cheers:

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