Friendly reminder not to overly rely on traction control.

[Firsttexan]

Cars with 300 hp all the way upto 800+ hp but more importantly, 500+ ft lb from 2000 rpm to 8900/9200.
The software is set up for working with the car and a driver with very limited seat time in a high powered performance car, it is not coded for the actions of those with seat time and car control, As what those with seat time, tend to use inputs the driver with limited seat time would not.
All the software is designed/coded to help a nervous driver make it through an issue while they are collectively crapping their pants, not dor the seat time, car control skilled driver that will drive through it. That is the reason track mode, the CAR turns just about all the "drivers aids off" Even Ford know they will hinder not help.

So only inexperienced drivers need or use trac control? You didn't answer my question about what you drive?

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[Spartan1]

Talking abut driving these things around on snow and ice, using 'studs' and winter tires makes me cringe. Like when someone talks about mounting a tow hitch or bike rack.

Think it's past time for a 2nd vehicle for the OP, these cars are not practical/safe in those kinds of conditions.

 

[KingKona]

Might I recommend not buying “performance” winter tires.....I have caved and gone to studs.

Studded tires are not allowed in most of the country. Including Illinois.

I got great results out of a set of Mud & Snow tires when I lived where it snowed a lot.

 

[Strokerswild]

What is this snow and ice you guys speak of? It's t-shirt and shorts weather here.

Come on up, it's a balmy -6*F for a high here today.

 

[Dana Pants]

Talking abut driving these things around on snow and ice, using 'studs' and winter tires makes me cringe. Like when someone talks about mounting a tow hitch or bike rack.

Think it's past time for a 2nd vehicle for the OP, these cars are not practical/safe in those kinds of conditions.

you inspired me to make a YouTube short:

 

[Spartan1]

Nice, had to watch it twice, couldn't get over a TireRack sticker on your front window the first time.

 

[Dana Pants]

Nice, had to watch it twice, couldn't get over a TireRack sticker on your front window the first time.

Tire Rack is the title sponsor of Sports Car Club of America events. So you have to put it on for National level autocross, time trials, etc.

 

[Zrussian13]

Come on up, it's a balmy -6*F for a high here today.

Thanks but I think I'll pass!

 

[ICU812]

So only inexperienced drivers need or use trac control? You didn't answer my question about what you drive?

What I drive, isn't important, Other to say, Sunday money.

 

[Zooks527]

Might I recommend not buying “performance” winter tires in the future. The only goal is to survive until spring time. After nearly 20 years of studless winter tires, I have caved and gone to studs. I doubt I’m going back.

Well, I have performance winters on mine, and wouldn't hesitate to do it again. However, this isn't my DD (I have a 4x4 Tacoma with true snow/ice tires for that). Rather, this is my weekend "clear roads and sunny days" car in the winter, and having tires that aren't rock hard and can handle the odd ice patch works for me.

Still, when I was a one car for all seasons driver, nothing but Nokians or Blizzak WS series were considered.

 

[KingKona]

Talking abut driving these things around on snow and ice, using 'studs' and winter tires makes me cringe.....these cars are not practical/safe in those kinds of conditions.

They're perfectly fine with the correct tires. They're very practical, and very safe.

 

[HolubS]

I use Michelin IceX tires on my 2018 EcoBoost. Has gotten me to work every day for the last 3+ years.

 

[nustang]

Took the BMW winter driving course in Mirabel, Que a few years back.
Learned to drift around a figure 8. Also learned the bootleggers turn - reverse, spin 180 and head forward in same direction. Helluva lotta fun. Did other stuff too, but those were the highlights.

After lunch they turned the nanies back on. You couldnt do shit. They used a mix of Contis on some cars, and Mich X-Ice. Cars wouldnt spin a tire, or get sideways.

This was on a groomed ice track ie - roughed up. Also snow ..

Black-Ice is tricky because it appears as bare pavement - yet is very smooth and slippery. For clear Ice, I think studded are about all you can try, But in slush and snow, I feel very confident now as opposed to trying to get by on summers. Have had a bit of a week snow wise here, and car has been stellar.

 

[Spartan1]

you inspired me to make a YouTube short:

They're perfectly fine with the correct tires. They're very practical, and very safe.

Which is why some people here are forced to put studs on the tires to control the vehicle?

I have to disagree, nothing practical about driving a 460 hp rear wheel drive car in snow. Can it be done, of course, does it make sense? Not at all.

I left a college football game here in Michigan on Thanksgiving weekend, followed a GT up the freeway entrance ramp in a fairly severe snowstorm and it was fishtailing all over the place, could barely make it up the slight incline. It was a hazard.

Problem is too many people in snow states buy these as an only vehicle and think they can make it work, don't get the proper tires and it's unsafe for everyone.

But hey, to each their own, just be safe is all.

 

[Dana Pants]

To be fair. If I was daily driving a Honda CR-V I would put studded tires on that too.

the only sketch part of driving any “car” in the snow is smashing the snowbanks made by plows. Here is an example of hitting piles of snow so high the snow goes over the windshield:

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