FL2087 or FL2087A

[AMBJR]

Hmmm anyone know where to get a non A?

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[Angrey]

Fathouse made that claim once but only one pix of an improperly installed filter was provided. It was installed crooked and crushed by the housing.

I circled where the nipple was imbedded in the filter.
For the record, I don’t use any of those Motorcraft filters. I only use K&N in my cars.
BTW: If you order KR3Z-6A832-A filter housing, it comes with the one you are craving. I have a few of those in case I drop and crack another one. Might sell the filters separately on eBay.

I remember seeing them weigh in on another discussion somewhere with other photos. And there was a ton of fanciful speculation about this particular photo/instance. Bottom line is that when FH weighed in and said they'd observed it more than once, and combined with the fact that Ford themselves CHOSE to develop the 2087 spec with a supplier and then update the GT350 spec AWAY from the 2062A, I'd take all that as circumstantial evidence that there's more than just internet fear mongering ongoing. There was obviously something flawed with the 2062A that prompted Ford to go away from it to a MORE EXPENSIVE filter in the 2087. Now the question becomes, whatever drove that action, is it resolved with the 2087A. The fact that the 2087 is synthetic vs cellulose may have been enough to increase flow and reduce pressure delta with the same polymer frame. Who knows. But Ford wouldn't have changed the GT350 spec if wasn't an issue.

 

[AngelDeath]

"AMAZON" HAS THEM!!!

Read the reviews (recent) they are coming in at 2087A and not the original pic that is shown.

Now the question becomes, whatever drove that action, is it resolved with the 2087A. The fact that the 2087 is synthetic vs cellulose may have been enough to increase flow and reduce pressure delta with the same polymer frame. Who knows. But Ford wouldn't have changed the GT350 spec if wasn't an issue.

Since it seems the 2087A has recently come out, I would say the next 3 years should show results either good or bad, right now its too early to tell.

 

[Evolvd]

"AMAZON" HAS THEM!!!

Yeah I played that game with Amazon. Ordered two sets of three, both orders were all -A filters. Returned them for refund.

 

[Angrey]

Read the reviews (recent) they are coming in at 2087A and not the original pic that is shown.



Since it seems the 2087A has recently come out, I would say the next 3 years should show results either good or bad, right now its too early to tell.

One would HOPE that Ford already did that before replacing the spec.

And what real "data" is anyone going to get even after several years of widespread use?

The whole thing is just a good reminder to let the EOT reach sufficient value before raising the RPM too high.

 

[Hack]

I swear the forums never cease to amaze.

SNIP.... very thick 5w-50 oil ....SNIP

I'm a little confused by this comment. Since when is 5w oil very thick?

BTW, I ran my GT350 a lot in sub-zero temperatures. The only problem I encountered was the exhaust flappers froze up once.

 

[Evolvd]

I'm a little confused by this comment. Since when is 5w oil very thick?

BTW, I ran my GT350 a lot in sub-zero temperatures. The only problem I encountered was the exhaust flappers froze up once.

Yeah I don’t get that comment either. It’s literally 5 weight

 

[Angrey]

I'm a little confused by this comment. Since when is 5w oil very thick?

BTW, I ran my GT350 a lot in sub-zero temperatures. The only problem I encountered was the exhaust flappers froze up once.

5W-50 is a thicker blend than nearly any widely sold passenger vehicle specs. In fact, if anyone knows of a thicker lubricant that's specified for a large volume production car (that's not a diesel) please let us know.

Out of the bottle, motorcraft 5W-50 has a cST of 136 40C of and a cST of 21 at 100C.

For some perspective, Mobile one 5w-30 has values of 64 and 11.1 (40C and 100C).

So MC5w50 is twice as thick as a typical 5w-30 blend (at any temperature in the typical operation range).

You don't have to be a hydraulic engineer to recognize that if you take the same pump and piping system and try to push fluid twice as viscous through it, you're going to get less flow and much higher pressures. The affect across a filtration media is similar (maybe worse).

Don't believe me? Take pancake syrip and try to push it through a coffee filter and see whether the force on the filter is more or less than the canola/corn oil you have in the kitchen cabinet.

 

[OX1]

I remember seeing them weigh in on another discussion somewhere with other photos. And there was a ton of fanciful speculation about this particular photo/instance. Bottom line is that when FH weighed in and said they'd observed it more than once, and combined with the fact that Ford themselves CHOSE to develop the 2087 spec with a supplier and then update the GT350 spec AWAY from the 2062A, I'd take all that as circumstantial evidence that there's more than just internet fear mongering ongoing. There was obviously something flawed with the 2062A that prompted Ford to go away from it to a MORE EXPENSIVE filter in the 2087. Now the question becomes, whatever drove that action, is it resolved with the 2087A. The fact that the 2087 is synthetic vs cellulose may have been enough to increase flow and reduce pressure delta with the same polymer frame. Who knows. But Ford wouldn't have changed the GT350 spec if wasn't an issue.

The real question to me is, did Ford due the original full durability/environmental, etc.. testing on the predator with the 2087, and if so, did they really do that much testing upon "updating" to the 2087A?

Would love to give Ford the benefit of the doubt, but I've had WAY too many premature failures on all kinds of crap on my new Fords, going back to around 2014. I attribute a lot of it to Ford cheapening up components, overall.

The 2087A plastic cage certainly looks thicker than the metal cage on 2087 (hence maybe it is stronger than it looks compared to 2087), but 2087 also has a metal mesh right inside metal cage, that 2087A does not. One other thing I notice is that 2062 has a much less robust plastic cage, vs the 2062A.

Pretty good look at filters overall, right here.

https://www.svtperformance.com/thre...ewed-3-0l-2-7l-nano-ecoboost-engines.1210532/

 

[gfcobra04]

5W-50 is a thicker blend than nearly any widely sold passenger vehicle specs. In fact, if anyone knows of a thicker lubricant that's specified for a large volume production car (that's not a diesel) please let us know.

Out of the bottle, motorcraft 5W-50 has a cST of 136 40C of and a cST of 21 at 100C.

For some perspective, Mobile one 5w-30 has values of 64 and 11.1 (40C and 100C).

So MC5w50 is twice as thick as a typical 5w-30 blend (at any temperature in the typical operation range).

You don't have to be a hydraulic engineer to recognize that if you take the same pump and piping system and try to push fluid twice as viscous through it, you're going to get less flow and much higher pressures. The affect across a filtration media is similar (maybe worse).

Don't believe me? Take pancake syrip and try to push it through a coffee filter and see whether the force on the filter is more or less than the canola/corn oil you have in the kitchen cabinet.

Just an FYI.
The 2000 cobra R requires 15W-50 Mobile 1 oil. that’s the only other production car that I can think of.

 

[Angrey]

Just an FYI.
The 2000 cobra R requires 15W-50 Mobile 1 oil. that’s the only other production car that I can think of.

I don't even think that car was street legal. That was a very very limited race only version sold by Ford/SVT.

I'm speaking of anything sold in the thousands of units. I wouldn't call the S550 GT350 or GT500 mass production, but they're certainly not as unicornish as the 2000 Cobra R.

My point being that not many warrantied, buy from most dealerships type cars feature 5w-50 or anything thicker.

 

[SilverSurfer98]

This is why you buy your own filter and take in to the dealer or do the service yourself. Also, there is a sleeve that replaces the plastic sleeve with specifications on the sleeve for torque. I installed this a couple years ago and it’s the #1 option. It is from MMR.
Also, get rid of your stock plastic oil pan drain plug and grab you one from UPR, and it’s reusable cause the dealer will charge you for a new plug every oil change. They have them for F150 and and other vehicles. This elimantes that extra expense. I have had 2 of them since we had the 2020 350R delivered in 2020. So they work well. But of course if you go to a Ford Dealer, don’t just trust they know what they are doing! Not all Ford Dealers are created equal! Do your homework before going to any Ford Dealer service!

 

[SilverSurfer98]

Yeah I played that game with Amazon. Ordered two sets of three, both orders were all -A filters. Returned them for refund.

Don’t order on Amazon! Cheap don’t always mean good! Order from an actual shop. Supporting Amazon as little as possible and buying from an actual shop makes me feel that much better when I’m driving the R

 

[Evolvd]

Don’t order on Amazon! Cheap don’t always mean good! Order from an actual shop. Supporting Amazon as little as possible and buying from an actual shop makes me feel that much better when I’m driving the R

A lot of shops sell through Amazon. And as long as I’m the one earning my money I’ll decide how best to spend it

 

[Epiphany]

I don't even think that car was street legal. That was a very very limited race only version sold by Ford/SVT.

I'm speaking of anything sold in the thousands of units. I wouldn't call the S550 GT350 or GT500 mass production, but they're certainly not as unicornish as the 2000 Cobra R.

2000 Cobra R was 100% street legal.

The 350/500 were indeed "mass produced." They just happened to be a somewhat limited option group that ran down the assembly line.

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