"expected" weight gain

[Pitch]

Yea, lemme buy a brand new car and tear it to shit with a nasty interior

Unless your a track junky then why waste your time and money

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[Grimace427]

So there are dozens of independant reports of significant weight reduction that everyone questions, then a single report that it might gain weight and people are already resigned to buying something different? Is there anything concrete that the IRS going into the Mustang is any heavier than the SRA that came out?

 

[Pitch]

No. Nothing is concrete about anything on this thing as far as weight goes. People just like to whine, it's the forums. There's always something wrong with something

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[VIN666]

Actually, for quite a while this was a very interesting discussion without any drama.
I hope it stays that way.

 

[Pitch]

I do agree.

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[Dirk McGurck]

So there are dozens of independant reports of significant weight reduction that everyone questions, then a single report that it might gain weight and people are already resigned to buying something different? Is there anything concrete that the IRS going into the Mustang is any heavier than the SRA that came out?

I think I just made a simple observation that if it was heavier than the outgoing model I probably would look elsewhere. I didn't say I was absolutely, fuck-the-S550-and-fuck-Ford not buying the new Mustang.

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[mitchell]

So there are dozens of independant reports of significant weight reduction that everyone questions, then a single report that it might gain weight and people are already resigned to buying something different? Is there anything concrete that the IRS going into the Mustang is any heavier than the SRA that came out?

It absolutely is, by 150-200 lbs actually.

The internet being what it is, I don't expect you to take my word as fact, nor can I provide you proof at the moment, but bookmark this and you will see.

It is very difficult to make up for that weight. On paper it might turn some of you off, but driving dynamics have been so vastly improved it really isn't an issue. All I can say is test drive one before you judge it.

 

[VIN666]

So what I read into this, is that you have some inside scoop (you live in the great lakes reagion no less ;) ). So you know at this point the car will no be lighter?
Or do you just know the weight of the IRS?

 

[mitchell]

The point is it is almost impossible without the abundant use of lighter materials, dramatically decreasing the size of the vehicle, or stripping a lot of equipment, none of which they did, to make up for the kind of weight increase the ILIRS added. That's all I'll say.

Gents, this is not apples to apples (S197 v S197) comparison. All of the engineering and improvements made to the S550 make it apples to oranges. FYI, the Model T had a curb weight of 1200 pounds. That's being dramatic, but you get my drift.

 

[5.0GT]

The point is it is almost impossible without the abundant use of lighter materials, dramatically decreasing the size of the vehicle, or stripping a lot of equipment, none of which they did, to make up for the kind of weight increase the ILIRS added. That's all I'll say.

Gents, this is not apples to apples (S197 v S197) comparison. All of the engineering and improvements made to the S550 make it apples to oranges. FYI, the Model T had a curb weight of 1200 pounds. That's being dramatic, but you get my drift.

Bingo.

 

[Pitch]

Doesn't mean it's gonna be slower around the track is all I'm arguing

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[5.0GT]

Doesn't mean it's gonna be slower around the track is all I'm arguing

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It will be faster due to IRS, better brakes, a bump in hp and better weight distribution.

 

[Pitch]

Ty for agreeing

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[VIN666]

Where did all the weight savings rumors actually originate?

 

[chopsui]

The point is it is almost impossible without the abundant use of lighter materials, dramatically decreasing the size of the vehicle, or stripping a lot of equipment, none of which they did, to make up for the kind of weight increase the ILIRS added. That's all I'll say.

Gents, this is not apples to apples (S197 v S197) comparison. All of the engineering and improvements made to the S550 make it apples to oranges. FYI, the Model T had a curb weight of 1200 pounds. That's being dramatic, but you get my drift.

These two paragraphs seem to contradict themselves. On the one hand you say the IRS added weight compared to the SRA and that they didn't do anything to counteract it, then on the other hand, you say that it's an all new car so you can't really compare the two. Well, which is it?

Given that it is effectively an all new platform, I think trying to guess the weight reduction or lack thereof based on what little information has been confirmed is a fool's game.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but here's what we know:

Basically same size car - same length but lower and slightly wider.
New IRS: Probably heavier than the SRA but by how much we don't know.
New front suspension: Possibly lighter, again by how much we don't know.
AL front fenders: Reduced weight, amount?

And that's about it. Everything else as far as I'm aware is pure speculation. People keep pointing out new creature comforts and such will add weight. Well like what? Heated seats? How much does a heating pad and some wire weigh? And anyway, all of that stuff is usually optional.

A couple more things we do know, Ford is on record as saying that they met their weight targets and that weight reduction across the board is a priority for them.

So for everyone saying it gained weight, I'd say put up or shut up. If you know something, then say so. Otherwise if you're just guessing, even if you consider it to be an educated guess, do us all a favor and admit that's what it is.

edit:
Here's some more food for thought:

2013 Fusion Ti 2WD vs 2013 Mustang base V6

Length 191.7 vs 188.5

Body width 72.9 vs 73.9

Body height 58.1 vs 55.8

Curb weight 3,427lbs vs 3,501lbs

That's a fully loaded Fusion against a base Mustang. Add AWD to the fusion and it still weighs less than a GT. Sure it's not quite a fair comparison, but the point is, the Fusion is bigger in almost every dimension, sits more people, and has many more luxury features yet is lighter, all without the benefit of any exotic materials.

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