"expected" weight gain

[chopsui]

Originally Posted by pacettr
Have you compared weights of a v6 vs a 4cyl?

How about a 6r80 vs a transaxle?

What does a driveshaft and rear axle weigh?
Or a frame/chassis that has to support well over 600hp vs one that needs to support a fraction of that?

That's why I said it's not a completely fair comparison although I doubt theres a big difference in engine weights between an all aluminum NA V6 vs a turbo 4 with all associated plumbing and intercooler.

Look, Ford has said that they met their weight targets. They've also previously said that they expect all new platforms to lose weight. I think the burden of proof is on the people claiming weight gain.

Sponsored

 

[Dirk McGurck]

Pfft....but it'll gain 100 pounds, so I'm gonna start looking at other cars. Because that is just downright absurd

Who am I?

Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk

I'm glad we're on the same page now. I knew you'd come around.

 

[nametoshowothers]

There are two discussions going on

First discussion - should the mustang lose weight, or do you want it to weigh less. So far consensus is yes.

2 nod discussion - would you buy it if it weighs more - this is more complicated, some say sure if the performance is good, and others are stating will not buy no matter how it drives unless it hits a certain target. This discussion seems to have as much chance as getting people to change minds as the Taliban buying old Beatles albums

In the end the weight is set, the car will be what it is until refresh until revealed the internet quarterbacks will rage

I can sit back and enjoy, please continue

 

[VIN666]

That made me lol. Thanks.

 

[Falc'man]

Consider the following even if the weight does increase.

- Lower centre of gravity
- Less unsprung mass (with IRS)

Those two alone make a huge difference. The extra grip that was found in the rear forced Ford to rethink the front suspension - what does that tell you.

I'm also suspecting that since the A-Pillar has been moved back a notch it may mean the firewall and engine could have also been moved back a bit, allowing better balance.

If we get all the above with reduced weight then it's going to be a giant leap over S197.

 

[kc3333]

Helloooo Double ball joints. That's 2 times the weight right there. ;)

 

[Pitch]

Hahaha

Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk

 

[nametoshowothers]

Consider the following even if the weight does increase.

- Lower centre of gravity
- Less unsprung mass (with IRS)

Those two alone make a huge difference. The extra grip that was found in the rear forced Ford to rethink the front suspension - what does that tell you.

I'm also suspecting that since the A-Pillar has been moved back a notch it may mean the firewall and engine could have also been moved back a bit, allowing better balance.

If we get all the above with reduced weight then it's going to be a giant leap over S197.

Agree well stated

 

[Pitch]

^^

Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk

 

[HGFireHazard]

Lets use the 2010 and 2014 Fusions and see what changes were made and if weight was lost...

2010 Fusion: 107.4WB, 190 Overall... 3285lbs with a 2.5 I4, 6 speed manual and 205/60R16's

2014 Fusion: 112.2WB, 191.7 Overall... 3425lbs with a 2.5 I4, Automatic and 215/60R16's

Both are four doors and are basically the first of its remodel, the '10 and the '13-'14 Fusion. The refresh brought on a slightly larger presence for the Fusion into a Large Mid-sized vehicle. The difference between the two are 140lbs. The automatic can account for 40-50lbs. The extra 5 inches of wheelbase has to account for something.

The Mustang is keeping the 107 inch wheelbase and, is shrinking in some places...

The new Fusion has a Ford Taurus wheelbase, it isn't a little car by no means. It is a full size wheelbase after all... I don't think it's crazy to believe a EB2.3 Mustang will weigh close to 3200lbs once you look at the rest of Ford's fleet. If an EB2.3 can get around 3200, the 5.0 will weigh around 3400lbs... Unless the put 200lbs of tech into the car... Think about it, the V6, EB and 5.0 all use the same transmissions/rearend... Everything is just beefed up. The suspension adds a lot of weight but still...

I'm inclined to agree on all accounts.

I think we just have to look at this logically with a little bit of critical thinking. We've been told this is an all new platform (semantics of "all new" aside). This is a platform that we should see cross over at least 2020. Are we really to believe that with a totally redesigned and enhanced platform that this car could look at gaining 200 pounds?

Competition in this segment is up and is going to continue to go up. Are we also to believe that Ford opted to swap to an IRS only to have it be 150-200 pounds heavier? The Mustang as a car is a type of niche vehicle. People buy these for fun, or because they are cool. It isn't a Fusion or any other grocery car or typical commuter for the family.

The car also has a prominent performance version that is currently being outsold by the Camaro. The Camaro and the Alpha are rumored to be dropping a lot of weight.

So, knowing all of this and more I didn't even mention, we are supposed to believe Ford knowingly let this car gain a couple hundred pounds? I just can't believe it.

 

[mitchell]

These two paragraphs seem to contradict themselves. On the one hand you say the IRS added weight compared to the SRA and that they didn't do anything to counteract it, then on the other hand, you say that it's an all new car so you can't really compare the two. Well, which is it?

I'm not sure how that contradicts.

We can compare the weight because the individual parts, dimensions, and materials used were not that different even tho it is a new platform that was designed around IRS. Most of the new redesign and parts were a wash when it comes to weight so yes, we can compare where the major points of weight difference was and that is the rear suspension setup.

I'm not saying they did nothing to counteract it. Just not enough to make some of you happy apparently since everyone wants to discuss pure numbers. It will still weigh less than the current Camaro and will be better in every respect from a handling point of view, so if the numbers come out to be the same or the S550 is slightly higher, how is that an apples to apples comparison?

 

[thePill]

The rumor is Ford will introduce an S550 Body in White... This tells me several things...

First, the S550 is probably a very competitive platform for drag racing. This means weight... I did some poking around after I heard about this today... The S550's BIW is several hundred pounds lighter than the equally equipped S197 BIW. This could be the source of the "200-400lbs" rumor.

Second, Ford has pretty much copy and pasted our request onto the Mustang. A possible bolt on 9 inch rear end, S550's Body in White and maybe even an OEM Drag Pack (Hello Mach 1!!!) and who knows what else. They listened...

Third, the two things I mentioned above doesn't guarantee weight loss but, it pushes the point. Ford knows the Camaro received heavy fire (pun) and even Ford got some for the GT500 initially. Ford's goal was 200lbs, moved to 10%... They claim they got it.

They did great with the larger Fusions weight and if the shell is "several hundred pounds lighter" than the S197's, I say, it will be lighter.

 

[scottpe]

I'm inclined to agree on all accounts.

I think we just have to look at this logically with a little bit of critical thinking. We've been told this is an all new platform (semantics of "all new" aside). This is a platform that we should see cross over at least 2020. Are we really to believe that with a totally redesigned and enhanced platform that this car could look at gaining 200 pounds?

Competition in this segment is up and is going to continue to go up. Are we also to believe that Ford opted to swap to an IRS only to have it be 150-200 pounds heavier? The Mustang as a car is a type of niche vehicle. People buy these for fun, or because they are cool. It isn't a Fusion or any other grocery car or typical commuter for the family.

The car also has a prominent performance version that is currently being outsold by the Camaro. The Camaro and the Alpha are rumored to be dropping a lot of weight.

So, knowing all of this and more I didn't even mention, we are supposed to believe Ford knowingly let this car gain a couple hundred pounds? I just can't believe it.

I agree with your logic. On top of that, as we know, Ford have made it clear that they have set their sights beyond the obvious Camaro competition with this new model...they are gunning for the M3 and 911. They had to know that BMW wasn't going to rest on its laurels for their upcoming model, and there is no way Ford could expect to keep pace with those cars without shedding some pounds.

I could be sorely mistaken, but I think there is a very realistic chance we will get good news on this front. It just makes sense in a lot of ways.

 

[Pitch]

What does the color of the car have to do with anything? I'm guessing it's some term I'm not aware of?

Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk

 

[Grimace427]

What does the color of the car have to do with anything? I'm guessing it's some term I'm not aware of?

Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk

It just happens to be the color of the body/chassis with the corrosion protection before it gets painted. It's not always that exact color and now the term is used by all manufacturers.

Sponsored