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If the wiring looks fine then a circuit code will most likely be caused by a bad sensor, what caused the sensor to mess up is something you have to look into or risk having it happen again, keep us posted
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Here is a pic of the crank sensor and trigger wheel on my 2019 Bullitt. I wanted to document what the area looks like at the business end of the crank sensor and the factory flywheel itself, to show the many avenues of escape for metal shavings.
I strongly believe itâs going to be something with the clutch, flywheel or starter, as stated. Please let us know whatever you find at the conclusion of your investigation.
I strongly believe itâs going to be something with the clutch, flywheel or starter, as stated. Please let us know whatever you find at the conclusion of your investigation.
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Since your car is out of commission right now and the old crank sensor is covered in metal shavings, You might considering pulling the starter out and turning the motor over by hand to inspect the teeth on the flywheel.
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Thatâs enough to make a grown man cry
I donât have any experience pulling a starter so Iâll have to research how to do that first.
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Update: Itâs been 3 weeks and the dealer still has the car. I understand nobody there likes warranty work. I miss my car!
Dealer replaced the brand new crank sensor with a new crank sensor (donât know why) and checked the wiring. Wiring turned out okay!
They had an issue connecting to the PCM and starting the car because I think the stock file was corrupt, or mightâve been overwritten by a previous tune that couldâve been on the car.
This week, they got it running but itâs rough, so theyâre going to plug into the PCM and try to see if it throws a code.
I told them where the issue was coming from but because of warranty, they have to go by the book and do what the computer tells them to doâŠ
Dealer replaced the brand new crank sensor with a new crank sensor (donât know why) and checked the wiring. Wiring turned out okay!
They had an issue connecting to the PCM and starting the car because I think the stock file was corrupt, or mightâve been overwritten by a previous tune that couldâve been on the car.
This week, they got it running but itâs rough, so theyâre going to plug into the PCM and try to see if it throws a code.
I told them where the issue was coming from but because of warranty, they have to go by the book and do what the computer tells them to doâŠ
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This thread looks similar to possibly another, but I read so many and post it's possible they just all begin to blend together.... LOL
So reading through, I would tell your Tech to check out this recent Ford TSB, more so if you do still have the stock clutch. I only say this because you're saying you had the issue immediately after a hard pull, which sort of relates to what is being documented in the TSB.
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...ailure-related-to-excessive-wheel-hop.186777/
The crank sensor also reads the tone ring, which relays info back to the PCM. If the tone ring is ever so slightly damaged, no matter how many new crank sensors are installed, it's not going to solve any problem, because the tone ring would need replacement. Then to determine why the tone ring was damaged requires removal of the trans anyway... which may show that the damage was caused by clutch debris.
See this thread for Tone ring info:
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/p06e9-dtc-no-start.150022/page-2#post-3066365
See this thread; the first image in it, the round circular toothed object on the floor directly below the engine - that is the Tone Ring. It gets placed onto the back of the crank so the Crank Sensor can read it (also seen in the image):
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...utch-install-and-flywheel-bolt-warning.87130/
It could be something totally unrelated, but as @NGOT8R stated, if there's a decent amount of metal on the crank sensor, then there's a failure of components, whether major or minor.
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HMMMM.... thought the thread concern was familiar... you did have another thread, which in your other images you show massive amounts of metal debris impacted that crank sensor... It's easier to stick to one thread about the issue, otherwise we're all just going in circles here trying to help with an issue we' ve already "tech'd"...
Here's your other thread with different images
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/crank-relearn.186433/
(MODs can you blend the 2 threads together?)
So reading through, I would tell your Tech to check out this recent Ford TSB, more so if you do still have the stock clutch. I only say this because you're saying you had the issue immediately after a hard pull, which sort of relates to what is being documented in the TSB.
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...ailure-related-to-excessive-wheel-hop.186777/
The crank sensor also reads the tone ring, which relays info back to the PCM. If the tone ring is ever so slightly damaged, no matter how many new crank sensors are installed, it's not going to solve any problem, because the tone ring would need replacement. Then to determine why the tone ring was damaged requires removal of the trans anyway... which may show that the damage was caused by clutch debris.
See this thread for Tone ring info:
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/p06e9-dtc-no-start.150022/page-2#post-3066365
See this thread; the first image in it, the round circular toothed object on the floor directly below the engine - that is the Tone Ring. It gets placed onto the back of the crank so the Crank Sensor can read it (also seen in the image):
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...utch-install-and-flywheel-bolt-warning.87130/
It could be something totally unrelated, but as @NGOT8R stated, if there's a decent amount of metal on the crank sensor, then there's a failure of components, whether major or minor.
EDIT:
HMMMM.... thought the thread concern was familiar... you did have another thread, which in your other images you show massive amounts of metal debris impacted that crank sensor... It's easier to stick to one thread about the issue, otherwise we're all just going in circles here trying to help with an issue we' ve already "tech'd"...
Here's your other thread with different images
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/crank-relearn.186433/
(MODs can you blend the 2 threads together?)
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Sounds like you smoked the clutch.
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UPDATE: As of May 1st, the car has been in the shop for its 6th week now.
Dealer called me and said the tech checked everything out with his computer and scanner and checked with his camera to go into the internals of the clutch area to get a good look at the tone ring or clutch and couldnât find anything.
The tech wants to go further and remove the transmission and clutch to look for any damages. I was given a quote for 6 hours of work, equaling $1200 out of my pocket if warranty doesnât cover it.
I was told they still think it might be a PCM issue and warranty wonât cover it because I had a tune on the car (itâs stock right now)⊠but based on the photos I posted, thatâs a big metal chuck stuck to the sensor.
By the time I get my car back, Iâm going to be scared to drive it hoping it doesnât break again lol. I miss driving my car! Im getting tired of rentals! Last week I rented a 2020 Charger Scatpack and I will say, that was a fun car. Stupid heavy, but fun!
Dealer called me and said the tech checked everything out with his computer and scanner and checked with his camera to go into the internals of the clutch area to get a good look at the tone ring or clutch and couldnât find anything.
The tech wants to go further and remove the transmission and clutch to look for any damages. I was given a quote for 6 hours of work, equaling $1200 out of my pocket if warranty doesnât cover it.
I was told they still think it might be a PCM issue and warranty wonât cover it because I had a tune on the car (itâs stock right now)⊠but based on the photos I posted, thatâs a big metal chuck stuck to the sensor.
By the time I get my car back, Iâm going to be scared to drive it hoping it doesnât break again lol. I miss driving my car! Im getting tired of rentals! Last week I rented a 2020 Charger Scatpack and I will say, that was a fun car. Stupid heavy, but fun!
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6 weeks? They could have rebuilt the entire car by hand in that amount of time. Sounds to me like the "technician" looking at your car doesn't know what they are doing
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UPDATE: Dealer just called me and told me:
Tone ring is misaligned. Not sure how it happened.
He let me know that my clutch + flywheel is aftermarket (by previous owner probably) and that the current aftermarket clutch doesnât line up with the tone ring properly, so there was a gap, and eventually the clutch got burnt up too. There was a lot of clutch debris on the tone ring/back of the crank.
Warranty doesnât cover it⊠so my new total for:
- Transmission removal
- Diagnostics
ââââââ
$1,200
- New OEM clutch kit +flywheel
- New Crank Tone ring
- Labor
- Fees
- Taxes
ââââââ
$3,300
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$4,500 total. RIP bank account.
It couldâve been more. They have a total of 15 hours of work on my car already, but he was nice enough to knock it down from 15 hours of work, to 10 hours, to save me some money.
Yeah I couldâve towed it home and did it myself on jack-stands, or towed it to another shop near me to do it for a little cheaper, but at this point Iâm 6 weeks in without my car, and I want it done properly, and right so I gave them the green light. I get my car back next week!
Tone ring is misaligned. Not sure how it happened.
He let me know that my clutch + flywheel is aftermarket (by previous owner probably) and that the current aftermarket clutch doesnât line up with the tone ring properly, so there was a gap, and eventually the clutch got burnt up too. There was a lot of clutch debris on the tone ring/back of the crank.
Warranty doesnât cover it⊠so my new total for:
- Transmission removal
- Diagnostics
ââââââ
$1,200
- New OEM clutch kit +flywheel
- New Crank Tone ring
- Labor
- Fees
- Taxes
ââââââ
$3,300
___________
$4,500 total. RIP bank account.
It couldâve been more. They have a total of 15 hours of work on my car already, but he was nice enough to knock it down from 15 hours of work, to 10 hours, to save me some money.
Yeah I couldâve towed it home and did it myself on jack-stands, or towed it to another shop near me to do it for a little cheaper, but at this point Iâm 6 weeks in without my car, and I want it done properly, and right so I gave them the green light. I get my car back next week!
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