500RWHP NA

[Terminator2]

Exactly. Why a vendor doesnt have a all out NA build to brag about I don't get. Staying NA and getting the most HP is a popular route.

Also not many have experience tuning for cams on these yet and I haven't seen any record setting NA runs on cammed 15 and up cars either.

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[pinero61]

NSR cams wouldn't be all that much labor-wise. When you go the max effort route, it gets expensive quick.

 

[16MustangVet]

Also not many have experience tuning for cams on these yet and I haven't seen any record setting NA runs on cammed 15 and up cars either.

Not many? boostworks, lund, beefcake, JPC racing all have just to name a few......

People just throwing out assumptions in here now want to see some fast NA cars go look at the NMRA coyotes stock class.........

 

[SR56]

No way these cars are too new. They came out at the end of 2014. thats over two years old for some of them. Im close to 50k miles already and I know others are the same. I also know many people buy them not because of the warranty but to turn them into their race cars.
I think four independently variable cams intimidate people or most shops prices to install them are extremely high. Why haven't more of the vendors installed them to show them off and sell more of them? IDK bad profit margins maybe. :shrug:

Average miles is about 15k/year. That puts the early bird owners right at the end of the warranty, but quite a few '15/16 owners with a ways to go. I've seen a LOT of comments from people on here who don't want to ruin their warranty. I know I stressed over putting the tune on my car instead of just holding off. Some might be more willing to experiment when it's not a concern. Hey, it's just a theory.

Even though I might have hurt my chances of warranty engine work with a tune, count me as a guy who will wait a little longer just in case. I'm a daily driver who likes to race, but realistically it'll only be a handful of events per year.

Cams for the Coyote have only been on the market about a year with a handful of folks having done them. Maybe by the time I'm ready there will be more out there with them and any tuning tweaks will be worked out. In the meantime, I'll likely change out the wheels to something lighter when my tires are cooked, but other than an intake setup I'm steady for a little while. I'll be watching for the first NA 500 car. Someone will do it.

 

[16MustangVet]

Average miles is about 15k/year. That puts the early bird owners right at the end of the warranty, but quite a few '15/16 owners with a ways to go. I've seen a LOT of comments from people on here who don't want to ruin their warranty. I know I stressed over putting the tune on my car instead of just holding off. Some might be more willing to experiment when it's not a concern. Hey, it's just a theory.

Even though I might have hurt my chances of warranty engine work with a tune, count me as a guy who will wait a little longer just in case. I'm a daily driver who likes to race, but realistically it'll only be a handful of events per year.

Cams for the Coyote have only been on the market about a year with a handful of folks having done them. Maybe by the time I'm ready there will be more out there with them and any tuning tweaks will be worked out. In the meantime, I'll likely change out the wheels to something lighter when my tires are cooked, but other than an intake setup I'm steady for a little while. I'll be watching for the first NA 500 car. Someone will do it.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...x28jtvfnGP_UlkifA&sig2=7RS4YeMVYOzkSpMEaVEmwA

with a quick little google search brenspeed had cammed coyote setups out in 2011.... thats like 6ish years ago by my math.

 

[markmurfie]

NA builds in the car scene are popular. Yes they are expensive. Yes people will always ask why didn't you just do these steps... Those people either haven't been in the car scene for long or don't fully understand what having a Passion for cars is. Not every one has the one goal of the most HP they can make.

Keeping the car NA,emissions legal, and on 93.

The steps to more than 500rwhp are...
Get your debit card, credit card, and bank loans. Ignore the FI nut swingers. Then...

 

[EricSMG]

Mine drives fine, even with too high of gearing.

Even with big cams, these engines are more or less tame until you lay into them. No big lope, like the LS cars. You'll lose torque, but gears are an easy way to correct for this. You'll need them anyway, if you're increasing RPM. I gained 35 mph in forth gear, so dialing that back to near stock mph/gear will make it feel like I got my torque back.

Saying it "drives fine" and "it's optimal" are totally different things - not that you said that but it could be misconstrued. I'm quite sure you can drive your car to grocery store, but is it user friendly with its very steppy/peaky torque curve?

You've gone the max-NA route and I respect and appreciate that, but you've made compromises along the way. Running a 4:30 gear means that just to keep up with a Minivan you're winding that thing out like crazy in the first four gears. A bone stock PP is bad enough. Gearing may give you back some lost torque but it will not shape your torque curve like a working VCT system can - a critical point, here.

I'm not saying this to be confrontational but rather suggesting that you're careful not to mislead about the compromises necessary for a locked-cams, max-NA build for use on the street. I can assure you that the OP doesn't want this. This is done often in the Bimmer world with their high revving HSO motors and while the power can be huge, "good on the street" is never the outcome.

Edit - can you post a dyno of your car?

 

[Terminator2]

Not many? boostworks, lund, beefcake, JPC racing all have just to name a few......

People just throwing out assumptions in here now want to see some fast NA cars go look at the NMRA coyotes stock class.........

Cammed 15-17 GTs? There are not many out there or at least few who have showed results. I'm talking street cars here too not purpose built drag setups.

 

[16MustangVet]

see post #80 or search on youtube there are lots of street car cammed coyotes out there.

All the companies i listed have built cars for customers too not just their own vendor drag cars.

 

[pinero61]

Not many? boostworks, lund, beefcake, JPC racing all have just to name a few......

People just throwing out assumptions in here now want to see some fast NA cars go look at the NMRA coyotes stock class.........

Boost Works does not tune. I don't believe beefcake does either.

There's not near as many 16+ cars running cams as their were 11-14's.

 

[newkidnik]

Cams for the Coyote have only been on the market about a year with a handful of folks having done them. Maybe by the time I'm ready there will be more out there with them and any tuning tweaks will be worked out. In the meantime, I'll likely change out the wheels to something lighter when my tires are cooked, but other than an intake setup I'm steady for a little while. I'll be watching for the first NA 500 car. Someone will do it.

As mentioned, the Comp Cams have been around for a long time and got a fair amount of use in the S197 cars. 500whp N/A is very possible for the S550 as well; one just needs to use a CJ manifold or port heads. Obviously, the supporting mods have to be there as well.

3.73s are very short already. I've got 3.31s in mine.

They don't feel short when you have an 8200rpm redline. In fact, shifting at 6800-7kish with 3.31 and 8k with 3.73 is about the same in terms of mph. When I knew I was going to stay N/A and do cams I switched to 3.73 and it was perfect for the street and strip. Stock redline is what makes them frustrating.

Maybe one of the reasons we haven't seen many cam jobs is that these cars are too new still. People are still quite a few miles from warranty end. Superchargers and other bolt ons are removable. Cams, not so much.

And people are fascinated by boost numbers and don't understand the experience of a big hp N/A build.

Huh popular route? Cmon people i love na builds but a max effort NA build is looking at 1200+ in cams 4k+ in heads 1kish or more for intake 1500 for headers/exhaust.

thats almost 8k in parts. not even including fuel system or cranking up the compression with a set of pistons too.

the popular route is go FI make 700whp and call it a day.

sure bolt ons are popular but max effort big HP NA builds are anything but. They get expensive very fast HP to dollar wise.

At 500whp N/A, my 5.0 was as quick/fast as my buddy's 600whp TVS 5.0. Something to be said for efficiency and gearing.

Saying it "drives fine" and "it's optimal" are totally different things - not that you said that but it could be misconstrued. I'm quite sure you can drive your car to grocery store, but is it user friendly with its very steppy/peaky torque curve?

You've gone the max-NA route and I respect and appreciate that, but you've made compromises along the way. Running a 4:30 gear means that just to keep up with a Minivan you're winding that thing out like crazy in the first four gears. A bone stock PP is bad enough. Gearing may give you back some lost torque but it will not shape your torque curve like a working VCT system can - a critical point, here.

I'm not saying this to be confrontational but rather suggesting that you're careful not to mislead about the compromises necessary for a locked-cams, max-NA build for use on the street. I can assure you that the OP doesn't want this. This is done often in the Bimmer world with their high revving HSO motors and while the power can be huge, "good on the street" is never the outcome.

Edit - can you post a dyno of your car?

3.73s are great for a cammed setup. How do you define 'good' on the street?

 

[16MustangVet]

As mentioned, the Comp Cams have been around for a long time and got a fair amount of use in the S197 cars. 500whp N/A is very possible for the S550 as well; one just needs to use a CJ manifold or port heads. Obviously, the supporting mods have to be there as well.


They don't feel short when you have an 8200rpm redline. In fact, shifting at 6800-7kish with 3.31 and 8k with 3.73 is about the same in terms of mph. When I knew I was going to stay N/A and do cams I switched to 3.73 and it was perfect for the street and strip. Stock redline is what makes them frustrating.


And people are fascinated by boost numbers and don't understand the experience of a big hp N/A build.


At 500whp N/A, my 5.0 was as quick/fast as my buddy's 600whp TVS 5.0. Something to be said for efficiency and gearing.


3.73s are great for a cammed setup. How do you define 'good' on the street?

This!! Just like RBS550s NA car running basement 10s on here with k member lots of suspension mods and very few engine mods. I highly doubt his car makes 500whp yet it runs 10s.

X2 on chasing dyno numbers. Some people scoffed when i made a thread on a different board about that car running 10s NA but but but its got an expensive watson k member and a mountian of suspension mods smaller rear brake setup ect ect.

But my argument is yes and most peoples FI kit costs what 7k plus at least?

And his cars in the 10s NA imagine if it was a full bolt ons car or add a Nitrous shot or any FI kit on baby boost it would be in the 9s or faster super easily that cars doing work forsure.

Adding nitrous or FI would be even more killer obviously the chassis is sorted out!

 

[NightmareMoon]

How much $ is a crate 5.2 voodoo?

 

[16MustangVet]

There is no flat plane crank crate i believe.

FRPP does have a new Alum52xs crate thats like 580 hp but ive looked around a bit and havnt seen a price for that engine yet.

That engine is a 5.0 short block traditional crank with voodoo heads and cobra jet intake.

http://performance.ford.com/enthusi...k-at-the-5-2l-aluminator-xs-crate-engine.html

http://www.enginelabs.com/features/...rd-racings-new-5-2-coyote-crate-engine-a52xs/

 

[newkidnik]

This!! Just like RBS550s NA car running basement 10s on here with k member lots of suspension mods and very few engine mods. I highly doubt his car makes 500whp yet it runs 10s.

X2 on chasing dyno numbers. Some people scoffed when i made a thread on a different board about that car running 10s NA but but but its got an expensive watson k member and a mountian of suspension mods smaller rear brake setup ect ect.

But my argument is yes and most peoples FI kit costs what 7k plus at least?

And his cars in the 10s NA imagine if it was a full bolt ons car or add a Nitrous shot or any FI kit on baby boost it would be in the 9s or faster super easily that cars doing work forsure.

Adding nitrous or FI would be even more killer obviously the chassis is sorted out!

A lot of people ignore efficiency when planning their setup. That can be suspension as well as driveline. So many people throw on a blower and forget about a driveshaft, clutch and flywheel. From street runs, my car picked up about 3 car lengths, when bolt-ons only, from an RST, driveshaft, and alum. flywheel.

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