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[ALUSA]

I love how some Ford nut swingers cry about comparing lap times from different drivers on different days, while the others use it in their argument for a car that has literally not had a single, independent, instrumented track test. Some of you believe it will be faster than a viper acr. Time will tell. If it can beat a ZLE on track, that will be an impressive feat. And I'm sure the track pack GT500 will ride much better on the street. I just don't see it being faster on track than a much lighter car, with more aero, and purpose built suspension.

They will be in shock when the H2H comes out. I can’t wait. I am guessing Ford is going to give the $95,000 Carbon Track version against the $72,000 ZL1 1LE. They are not going to risk it with the $75,000 GT500. Even then if the car loses the H2H, these guys here are gonna say the ZLE was a ringer lol

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[Hack]

I love how some Ford nut swingers cry about comparing lap times from different drivers on different days, while the others use it in their argument for a car that has literally not had a single, independent, instrumented track test. Some of you believe it will be faster than a viper acr. Time will tell. If it can beat a ZLE on track, that will be an impressive feat. And I'm sure the track pack GT500 will ride much better on the street. I just don't see it being faster on track than a much lighter car, with more aero, and purpose built suspension.

The ZL1 1LE is about 10% lighter.

Purpose built suspension, huh? I guess only GM can do that?

 

[millhouse]

Pretty easy to explain, the car is a tick over 3800 lbs, running on 325’s in the back and 305’s front goodyear eagle F1 supercar R compound, it has more torque down low for exit speed during cornering and shorter straights, adjustable dssv dampers, and the aero provides so much downforce even in lower speeds and alpha platform.

Everything you just quoted (except for the DSSV dampers) are also on the GT500 CP....except in better form. We haven't even mentioned the GT500 CP,s carbon fiber wheels, enormous brakes, 110 more horsepower and DCT transmission.... all enormous advantages.

So far, you have weight and DSSV dampers. Everything else on the GT500 CP is superior.

 

[ALUSA]

Everything you just quoted (except for the DSSV dampers) are also on the GT500 CP....except in better form. We haven't even mentioned the GT500 CP,s carbon fiber wheels, enormous brakes, 110 more horsepower and DCT transmission.... all enormous advantages.

So far, you have weight and DSSV dampers. Everything else on the GT500 CP is superior.

Aero superior on the ZLE, torque superior on the ZLE, tires superior on the ZLE, chassis Alpha platform superior on the ZLE.

 

[DekiDoo]

Everything you just quoted (except for the DSSV dampers) are also on the GT500 CP....except in better form. We haven't even mentioned the GT500 CP,s carbon fiber wheels, enormous brakes, 110 more horsepower and DCT transmission.... all enormous advantages.

So far, you have weight and DSSV dampers. Everything else on the GT500 CP is superior.

The gt500 needs those enormous brakes because it's a huge car. Im willing to bet the ZL1 1le will stop in a shorter distance. DCT is fast, yes, but the 10 speed in the Csmaro is no slouch as well.

The ZL1 1LE is about 10% lighter.

Purpose built suspension, huh? I guess only GM can do that?

10% is a huge number when you're talking about 4200 pounds. And no rubber in the bushings doesn't sound like a typical road suspension to me. Can the gt500 run -3.7 degrees of camber up front? Enlighten us with your vast knowledge before you lose your grip on Ford's nutsack with that wild swing. Before, you could have a normal discussion, but lately you've been behaving like 9secondko and that guy that started the 7.3 swap thread, mixed into one.

 

[activeGT]

Don't change the subject. Are you willing to switch to the light from dark side if you are wrong? If the $75,000 GT500 can't put better lap times than the ZL1/1LE are you giving up? Let me give you a handycap and make the ZLE a manual tranny car vs DCT GT500. You will see if Ford really benchmarked or not.

Aero superior on the ZLE, torque superior on the ZLE, tires superior on the ZLE, chassis Alpha platform superior on the ZLE.

Hate to say you aren't going to win this argument.

 

[Hack]

10% is a huge number when you're talking about 4200 pounds.

10% is 10%. If the ZL1 1LE is light, then the GT500 is 10% heavier than a light car.

Personally I think the Camaro is big, heavy and somewhat piggish. And the GT500 is a little heavier. Lucky the GT500 makes about 17% more power than the ZL1 1LE.

 

[FastCarFanBoy]

so

 

[millhouse]

Hate to say you aren't going to win this argument.

Yeah, I'm done with him...he's obviously clueless. Difficult to argue with ignorance.

 

[FastCarFanBoy]

I dropped out in middle school but let me give this a go....

GT500 CFTP +-4050
ZLE 3820

4050
-3820

subtract the smaller number from the bigger, multiple by .9 or divide by .9? I can never remember. Square the hypotenuse....

230ish? Insurmountable cuz physics.


...and if not physics, then Alpha!

 

[millhouse]

The gt500 needs those enormous brakes because it's a huge car. Im willing to bet the ZL1 1le will stop in a shorter distance. DCT is fast, yes, but the 10 speed in the Csmaro is no slouch as well.

The GT500 needs those giant brakes also because it's going to be carrying MUCH more speed into the turn than the ZLE. Weight is definitely a reason for the larger brakes...but if it were the only reason they wouldn't be as large as they are.

Stopping distance will be interesting. I'm guess they are going to be very...very close.

 

[ALUSA]

Hate to say you aren't going to win this argument.

We will see. Its hard to believe a lighter car with wider tires, more torque, track oriented dampers, and better aero losing to a 4200 lbs steam roller. Especially if the car is tested and proven to be superior to 5 times the price track monsters.

 

[9secondko]

I love how some Ford nut swingers cry about comparing lap times from different drivers on different days, while the others use it in their argument for a car that has literally not had a single, independent, instrumented track test. Some of you believe it will be faster than a viper acr. Time will tell. If it can beat a ZLE on track, that will be an impressive feat. And I'm sure the track pack GT500 will ride much better on the street. I just don't see it being faster on track than a much lighter car, with more aero, and purpose built suspension.

So when the car crosses the hurdles you’ve set up for it, you’ll still not give it the credit due. But you’ll still talk up the competition.

spunds like all the rest of your posts. Should just copy and paste your favorite thumbs down emoji and save yourself time in the future.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, the GT500 is winning fans and hurting feelings - as evidenced by so many of your posts.

 

[9secondko]

We will see. Its hard to believe a lighter car with wider tires, more torque, track oriented dampers, and better aero losing to a 4200 lbs steam roller. Especially if the car is tested and proven to be superior to 5 times the price track monsters.

Its not that hard. Better suspension geometry. Better tire compound. Way More horsepower, faster shifts, and both cars are steam rollers. The zl1 1LE isn’t light.

 

[activeGT]

We will see. Its hard to believe a lighter car with wider tires, more torque, track oriented dampers, and better aero losing to a 4200 lbs steam roller. Especially if the car is tested and proven to be superior to 5 times the price track monsters.

You're singing to the choir. I had a '17 ZL1 and it was an unbelievable performer in all aspects. The only thing I hope is the 500 doesn't have the ridiculous low end torque like my 350. However it shouldn't with the puffer on it. Correct?

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