EB VS NISMO 370Z

[Glenn G]

Which again begs the question of why the OP would even pose a question about a stock 370Z vs a tuned EcoBoost that can do 11s. Stock for stock the 370Z will kill him. And with a tune he'll kill the 370Z and your stock GT, and a stock 2016 Camaro. And pretty much everything else. So what purpose did the original question serve?

Stock for Stock Beat the Eco?: With equal drivers yes. Kill it? No way It will be neck and neck, and the slightest mistake by either driver will give the other the win.

Plus if you don't at least put a $500 off the shelf tune on the ECO you are doing it wrong, hell it gets better mileage with the Cobb tune because the Ford tune is so laughably bad. I do not have a problem calling that fair at all considering a 370z is $3-5k more expensive.

Like I said before, who goes up to the winner of a Race and says "Stock for Stock, My car is faster!"?

I think the OP asked a valid question, Most cars he encounters on the road are not modified, He likely is. The real world is simply not fair like that. I know I would struggle against and probably lose to a bone stock GT. Will you be complaining about stock vs stock then? Now as soon as the fuel station a few hundred yards from my house starts pumping E-85 (owner told me early Feb the pump gets put in) I will start hunting bigger game like bolt on GTs, and M4s and I will lose some I'm sure.
If I even think I hear forced induction from a GT though, I'm going to go hide.

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[Zemedici]

If I even think I hear forced induction from a GT though, I'm going to go hide.

I lol'ed

 

[Glenn G]

I'll just leave this here

 

[StangLuver]

I'll just leave this here

Let's see if that moron in the cartoon is still laughing if the 370Z adds a turbo like his. Like this one doing the quarter in the 11s:

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[StangLuver]

Stock for Stock Beat the Eco?: With equal drivers yes. Kill it? No way It will be neck and neck, and the slightest mistake by either driver will give the other the win.

Did you miss where I posted the mag numbers for 0-60 and quarter mile? The Z for example does 0-60 in 4.7 and the 1/4 in 13.3 stock and the Ecoboost did 0-60 in 5.1 and the quarter in 14.1. That's not a driver's race, it's a slaughter.

 

[rgingo]

You all should consider getting a STOCK Shelby GT350 and win real races.

 

[cosmo]

Let's see if that moron in the cartoon is still laughing if the 370Z adds a turbo like his. Like this one doing the quarter in the 11s:

Did you miss where I posted the mag numbers for 0-60 and quarter mile? The Z for example does 0-60 in 4.7 and the 1/4 in 13.3 stock and the Ecoboost did 0-60 in 5.1 and the quarter in 14.1. That's not a driver's race, it's a slaughter.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16741

The EB is running sub 11.7s with bolt-ons. No where near the price of a 370Z turbo kit. Also, someone ran a 13.2 quarter mile bone stock so... the car can do it. It's up to the driver to make it happen.

 

[StangLuver]

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16741

The EB is running sub 11.7s with bolt-ons. No where near the price of a 370Z turbo kit. Also, someone ran a 13.2 quarter mile bone stock so... the car can do it. It's up to the driver to make it happen.

Must have been a hero run because no one else is showing times like that (I wasn't using 370Z hero runs - I was using runs from mags for both cars). And the times in all the mags are roughly a full second slower in the quarter than the 370Z.

http://www.edmunds.com/ford/mustang...osted-pony-how-does-the-ecoboost-compare.html

0-60: 5.9 seconds
1/4: 14.2 @ 96.7MPH


http://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle-make/ford-0-60-mph-times/

2015 Ford Mustang EcoBoost (Manual) Compare Car 0-60 mph 5.5 | Quarter mile 14.3

http://www.leftlanenews.com/review-2015-ford-mustang-ecoboost-coupe-89802.html

0-60: 5.2 seconds

 

[cosmo]

Must have been a hero run because no one else is showing times like that (I wasn't using 370Z hero runs - I was using runs from mags for both cars). And the times in all the mags are roughly a full second slower in the quarter than the 370Z.

http://www.edmunds.com/ford/mustang...osted-pony-how-does-the-ecoboost-compare.html

0-60: 5.9 seconds
1/4: 14.2 @ 96.7MPH


http://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicle-make/ford-0-60-mph-times/

http://www.leftlanenews.com/review-2015-ford-mustang-ecoboost-coupe-89802.html

0-60: 5.2 seconds

"Hero runs" really aren't a thing anymore. That implies the vehicle is outputting more than the SAE says it is, and is lower weight than it should be. That used to happen, but not so much now. With good DA and a good driver, that's about as good as you'll get. Have that same driver drive 3 vehicles of their exact trim and I doubt there'd be much of a difference. Magazine times represent the average driver, but rarely does the average driver show what the vehicle can do. It's up to the driver to get the times.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Did I mention I hate magazine racing?

 

[cosmo]

Did I mention I hate magazine racing?

Magazine racing is bad for showing what a car CAN do, but it shows what the average person will do in the car. That's what they're good for. I'd like it better if they had the magazine drivers do a run, report it. Then have a skilled driver make a run, and report that.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

The most important thing to look at with the magazines is trap speed.Thats the best indicator of how the two cars would do against each other in the street.

 

[Glenn G]

Let's see if that moron in the cartoon is still laughing if the 370Z adds a turbo like his. Like this one doing the quarter in the 11s:

Just checked, He's still laughing!
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36540

 

[StangLuver]

"Hero runs" really aren't a thing anymore. That implies the vehicle is outputting more than the SAE says it is

That's not my definition of hero run. My definition is that it's simply an outlier run that doesn't agree with the average most people see in 0-60 or quarter mile. If 500 guys run their EcoBoost and get between 14.2 and 14.4 quarter miles but one guy gets a 13.2 are you going to conclude that the car is a 13.2 second quarter-mile car or that there was something different about that one guy's run?

 

[StangLuver]

Magazine times represent the average driver, but rarely does the average driver show what the vehicle can do. It's up to the driver to get the times.

Irrelevant. Because if by that logic you're going to conclude that the EcoBoost is really a 13.2 second 1/4-mile car (because the mag times of 14.3 don't represent what the real world produces), than that means the 13.3 the mags get with the 370Z is likelwise underrating what it can do and in the real world its performance advantage seen in the magazines is maintained in the real world results. Said another way, the mags will be off the same on both cars so the advantage the 370Z has in the mag tests would be the same advantage seen in the real world (both will do better in the real world by the same amount).

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