10 speed trans for 2026. Trans issues? watch this.

[cerbomark]

Very interesting from Ford on the newly tuned 10 speed to eliminate issues. No wonder some guys with tuned cars don't have trans issues. (with the correct tune of coarse). I found this while looking thru F150 research . So I assume this will apply to Mustang also.

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[compprep]

How long before I can go to the dealer and get my A10 reprogrammed???

 

[TonyNJ]

I really liked the 10sp in my 2018 GT. Heard lots of people complaining about theirs. Mine was flawless and fun.

 

[John S]

10R60, 10R80, 10R100, and 10R140 (and shared GM versions) have identical powerflow designs and are very similar to ZF's 8HP series designs. Calibrations are determined by corporate management directives and Ford, GM, and Customers of ZF's transmissions have different priorities and strategies for each vehicle application. Throw in government and fuel economy certifications into the mix and what the driver/calibrators prefer isn't always the top priority. So the Marketing folks love generating this kind of "major" news to hype existing products that haven't really changed. Maybe a good calibration update for truck owners but probably nothing noticeable or even revised for Mustangs?

 

[Joe Gonsalves]

I always felt that the 10R80 programming was not well sorted out. After the M-9603-M8B kit, the 10R80 was way better. Now, I doubt that Ford would do anything for the existing Mustangs out there unless you constantly complain about it. The video focused more on trucks than on cars. And like anything else these days on the innerwebs, it can be all AI generated BS.

 

[sirben711]

M-9603-M8B

Agreed, after the FP Tune my transmission became a lot better.
It was so bad, I was about to get rid of the car.

 

[SheepDog]

are very similar to ZF's 8HP series designs.

Maybe, but every ZF 8HP vehicle I have ever driven, makes the 10R80 feel like it is broken.

 

[The Demon]

Agreed, after the FP Tune my transmission became a lot better.
It was so bad, I was about to get rid of the car.

My 2019 was the same way until I got it tuned and then it was fantastic.

 

[GrabberBargeCaptain]

I used AI to summarize that AI generated video.

 

[raydog1]

I always felt that the 10R80 programming was not well sorted out. After the M-9603-M8B kit, the 10R80 was way better. Now, I doubt that Ford would do anything for the existing Mustangs out there unless you constantly complain about it. The video focused more on trucks than on cars. And like anything else these days on the innerwebs, it can be all AI generated BS.

Yep, it felt to me like the programming from the M-9603-M8B was what should have been done by default. No complaints from me over 5 years later.

 

[paulm1]

TLdR. Ford ditched the gas mileage tune and replaced it with performance tune.

 

[Joe Gonsalves]

I had some back and forth with engineermike on this. He looked at a FP tuned car and as stock tuned car and saw no difference in the shift strategy tables. They were the same. What the FP tune does, is it increases torque down low where the Coyote needs it most. Engineermike said that the torque increase bumped the shifts into another column in the shift schedule table that produces much better shifts. It's a very complicated mess and even more so when you factor in driving modes. I know the low rpm torque increase is real since my car no longer lugs in high gear going up hills. In sport mode "S" on the shifter the car drives perfect. In "D" it's almost perfect, an occasional harsh shift 3 to 4 at very light acceleration, but not like it was prior to the FP tune.

 

[Schwerin]

I had some back and forth with engineermike on this. He looked at a FP tuned car and as stock tuned car and saw no difference in the shift strategy tables. They were the same. What the FP tune does, is it increases torque down low where the Coyote needs it most. Engineermike said that the torque increase bumped the shifts into another column in the shift schedule table that produces much better shifts. It's a very complicated mess and even more so when you factor in driving modes. I know the low rpm torque increase is real since my car no longer lugs in high gear going up hills. In sport mode "S" on the shifter the car drives perfect. In "D" it's almost perfect, an occasional harsh shift 3 to 4 at very light acceleration, but not like it was prior to the FP tune.

Tunes in general on these cares are great for low end power. In my 6spd manual with the Steeda tune I can now go as like 1k and not lug at all if I'm in the right gear, and my daily commute went from a 20.5MPG average to almost 24. Not even talking about performance the simple daily drivability and MPG increase makes it a MUCH better car. I get better MPG than a friends 10spd ecoboost Mustang and not much less than some others v6's. It's crazy.

 

[Joe Gonsalves]

Tunes in general on these cares are great for low end power. In my 6spd manual with the Steeda tune I can now go as like 1k and not lug at all if I'm in the right gear, and my daily commute went from a 20.5MPG average to almost 24. Not even talking about performance the simple daily drivability and MPG increase makes it a MUCH better car. I get better MPG than a friends 10spd ecoboost Mustang and not much less than some others v6's. It's crazy.

I know crazy right! My 2021 GT/CS gets better gas milage than my 2011 V6 Mustang. Even after the FP tune.

 

[Robottrainer]

Very interesting from Ford on the newly tuned 10 speed to eliminate issues. No wonder some guys with tuned cars don't have trans issues. (with the correct tune of coarse). I found this while looking thru F150 research . So I assume this will apply to Mustang also.

It still needed some mechanical changes. The walking bushing. The failing drive shell and week clutches not to mention the valve body. And yes, the early calibration is terrible. Just playing around with the shift tables fixes alot of issues. Some of them flair which requires more involved re-programming.

The adaptive shifting is a bit of a misnomer. The trans doesn't really adapt to drivers habits. It adapts to how the trans is operating. Monitoring for binding(two gears on at once for a split second) or fairs, off going and oncoming gear not synchronized. These are some of the areas it adapts to.

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