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Very nice to hear and 85k is awesome longevity, how many times have you had the trans serviced , if any ?
Trans has never been serviced. I expect to do that at the 100k mark. This car has been drop dead reliable since new. I have maintained it and it's always been garaged.
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Definitely sounds like you are very knowledgeable and only tune what needs to be , and leave the rest alone . As for the guy I referenced,I have not idea what he had on not had tuned to his stock transmission.
Thank you for adding the information to this Thread .
For me I'm stock and had all my fun many years ago Drag racing, now at 70 I can't do a lot of the work to accomplish what you have done . So I look good with the Mach , and have a little fun now and again .
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There have been multiple comparisons to the 10R in the F150. But I have a 2023 Expedition that I call "The Bus". 3.5 EcoBoost with a 10R. I tow a 5K car trailer once in a while, but most of the time it is just passengers. The 10R in that vehicle absolutely rocks! That truck is like an NFL lineman: Huge, light on their feet, and deceptively fast. Upshift, downshift, towing, slogging through snowdrifts, it always seems to be in the right gear. 22K miles. No issues.
 
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So I've owned the car since last January, and the praise about how good the 10 speeds are, is one of the factors that drove me to purchase this over other competitors, and i have to say, this transmission is almost as bad if not worse than the 8l90 in my 2017 Camaro ss

*Harsh engagement from P to D(hits my head against the headrest sometimes)
*The kickdown in all drive modes is very delayed when you floor it and downshifts on its own
*Paddles are extremely delayed most of the time (2-3 second delay in response)
*Lots of clunkiness especially between 1-3
*Takes a large amount of throttle input to downshift especially when merging onto a highway
*It hunts a lot for gears at times, every and all shifts are never smooth and snappy

My car is a 2019 10r80, I've seen other 10 speeds in videos and other owners and their transmissions are super snappy, quick, and buttery smooth to where you don't even notice its shifting, almost DCT/10 Speed ZL1 like quickness and smoothness(Having driven the 10 speed ZL1 and CT5V Blackwing at my work, these 10 speeds are light years ahead of mine. What is wrong with my transmission? fluid checked out and isn't low, just slightly brown. Done the adaptive transmission learn table thing and even stopped it all together using forscan.
So let me tell you my story. I have a 2021 GT/CS 10R80. The shifts were horrible when I bought it used with 11K on the odometer. One of the first things I did was use FORscan to reset the adaptive learning table. Then it drove worse for a while as it was relearning shifts. Took about 1000 miles for it to smooth out. It did get better than when I got the car, but it still had jerky shifts. Then I learned of the Ford Performance kit. I wasn't keen on installing a cold air kit, 87mm throttle body, and locking the tune to 91 octane. But the big improvement from what I learned, was what it does for the transmission. After I installed the kit, and of course it resets the KAM and the Adaptive table, you'll be surprised at how smooth the transmission runs. Be aware that the learning process must be preformed for each driving mode. Normal for me now the car almost perfect, Sport mode, the S position on the shifter, is my preferred mode. In sport, shifts are firmer but not clunky, shift revs are higher and linger a bit longer. And most of all it's not hunting for the highest gear possible. The Ford performance kit made a very positive difference for my car. It's not perfect, but it's damn close.
This does not apply to your application since you already have a tune so you won't benefit from the Ford kit. One thing to note while in FORscan, you'll see Stop and Halt in the Adaptive learning section. I don't advise using Stop, since it will stop using the table altogether. It will never wind up shifting smooth. Halt on the other had can be useful, once you have the car driving the way you like it, you can halt updating the table. Then erratic driving won't affect what's in the table.
 
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My apologies for not having read all of the posts in this topic before responding, so I don't know if it's been discussed, but I highly recommend Ford Racing's (formerly Ford Performance) tune for the A10. Mine was pretty good before, with very smooth shifts in normal, but had some harsh shifts in Sport+ and track, but the tune made it more responsive, and smoothed out a lot of the harshness. Makes the car even more enjoyable to drive.

I think it's only available as part of the whole performance package that includes a new intake and throttle body, but the combination has been great, and is 50-state legal (which is important to me, living in California). I have a performance pack 1 on the car, and I'm not sure if the added features (diff, suspension, etc.) make a difference in how the tune performs.
 

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I enjoyed the part where OP said he was a Cadillac technician, then in the next post asked what BMS is.

That's what I expect from a GM tech. (Just kidding, mostly)
 

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I enjoyed the part where OP said he was a Cadillac technician, then in the next post asked what BMS is.

That's what I expect from a GM tech. (Just kidding, mostly)
And being a Cadillac tech, OP should’ve had some idea about the 10 speed before purchasing one.
 

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In my opinion, the 10 speed auto gearbox is not good at all. Wild gearshift, hesitate specific gear chose, drivetrain freeplay, vibration, light freewheel, etc. There are some current TSB / SSM from Ford. But again, perhaps others are happy with it.
 

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In my opinion, the 10 speed auto gearbox is not good at all. Wild gearshift, hesitate specific gear chose, drivetrain freeplay, vibration, light freewheel, etc. There are some current TSB / SSM from Ford. But again, perhaps others are happy with it.
Im happy for the most part? After changing reprogramming the strategy its pretty good. I still have the odd first gear hang from time to time. Could it be better? Absolutely!
 

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It's a smart transmission, and adapts to the stupid ways some drive , and can get confused, shift hard 3rd to 4 th , Google 10r80 smart adaptive transmission. For the most part it's been a very good transmission at almost 8 k, early on a funny shift now and again, but was probably confused. I try to be a little more conscientious of what I'm doing and how I'm driving and not drive like all the overly aggressive pin heads in life . There's a time and place for spirited driving out on the open road , where the transmission won't get confused, and that's not in town stop n go traffic . Some will agree , some won't . For some they may need a refresh, as the transmission has learned to many bad habits.

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It's a smart transmission, and adapts to the stupid ways some drive , and can get confused, shift hard 3rd to 4 th , Google 10r80 smart adaptive transmission. For the most part it's been a very good transmission at almost 8 k, early on a funny shift now and again, but was probably confused. I try to be a little more conscientious of what I'm doing and how I'm driving and not drive like all the overly aggressive pin heads in life . There's a time and place for spirited driving out on the open road , where the transmission won't get confused, and that's not in town stop n go traffic . Some will agree , some won't . For some they may need a refresh, as the transmission has learned to many bad habits.

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That's been my experience as well, for the most part. In Normal mode it was always very smooth, where I couldn't even tell that it shifted half the time. Sport/Sport+/Track had some really hard shifts from 4th to 5th and even 5th to 6th until I had the Ford tune applied. Now that shift is noticeable, but not nearly has hard as it used to be.

Overall, that tune made it shift much better across the board for performance - much smarter and almost always shifts exactly where I would shift myself.
 

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The 10r80 does not adapt to driving styles.
Mike's a Mythbuster!🤣 I can't count the amount of times of I've read that comment stated. I really thought that was a fact. My car has 84,000 miles on it. I had the trans rebuilt at 70,000 after doing a FBO build. I used the Suncoast Stage 2 rebuild kit. The Circle D Converter makes it feel like a completely different transmission. My car drives better when I drive it like a sports car. When I drive it like a Caddy or Town car it drives confused. As long as I drive it like a sports car it drives flawlessly! Oh and thats the way it's been since I bought it brand new. The soft driving makes the 10 speed drive wonky. Spirited driving makes it perform much better! Just my 2 pennies!
 

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Mike's a Mythbuster!🤣 I can't count the amount of times of I've read that comment stated. I really thought that was a fact. My car has 84,000 miles on it. I had the trans rebuilt at 70,000 after doing a FBO build. I used the Suncoast Stage 2 rebuild kit. The Circle D Converter makes it feel like a completely different transmission. My car drives better when I drive it like a sports car. When I drive it like a Caddy or Town car it drives confused. As long as I drive it like a sports car it drives flawlessly! Oh and thats the way it's been since I bought it brand new. The soft driving makes the 10 speed drive wonky. Spirited driving makes it perform much better! Just my 2 pennies!
I agree with engineermike the transmission does not adjust to driving styles. That explains why the Ford performance kit works out the box without learning anything. The increase in low end torque really helped the 10R80. Now that I said that, I commute in normal for that stop and go BS. But in sport, on the shift position, I drive it hard. The transmission knows and drives accordingly. The cost of the kit is off set by not having to argue with the stealership.
 

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Anyone who thinks they are weak has clearly never owned a 700r4, 2004r, 4l60, aod, th350, c4, the list goes on. I’m putting over 900 rwhp through a stock 10r80 and have been for some time. Any of the aforementioned transmissions wouldn’t have survived one hit at this power level.
Mike, do you take yours full boost in 7-10 gears also? I just heard that it could be a problem. Just wondering what your experience is with that. Thx
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