Cobb got nailed by the EPA

[GregO]

Nope Cobb sold tunes and parts for off road race cars. What the customer does with it after purchase is not Cobbs doing.

That “Off-Road” waver ship sailed about 2015 or so.
“Off-Road” waver worked in the Good Old Days, those day are now DOA.

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[shogun32]

Can the mustang run on nuclear power?

the rapid oxidizing of hydro-carbon chains is fundamentally nuclear energy, just sayin'

 

[Pistol_91]

The EPA reminds me a lot of the ATF. Both useless.

 

[shogun32]

The EPA reminds me a lot of the ATF. Both useless.

oh they are QUITE effective in their mission. You just thought the mission was the ostensibly stated mission, not the one they wrote in lemon juice on the back of the federal register.

 

[Pistol_91]

oh they are QUITE effective in their mission. You just thought the mission was the ostensibly stated mission, not the one they wrote in lemon juice on the back of the federal register.

They're useless to me. Could care less about their mission.

 

[TonyT930]

My thinking is remember the CFL light bulb and how it was " super great" until the LED bulbs came out? That is what I think will happen to all these electric car..Some new technology ( no clue what ) and all of a sudden " EV JUNK"

Yes indeed. And what environmental hazard is gonna be caused when all these batteries have to be disposed of? Just food for thought. And I'm not saying I have the answers. Just pondering different thoughts

 

[K4fxd]

That “Off-Road” waver ship sailed about 2015 or so.
“Off-Road” waver worked in the Good Old Days, those day are now DOA.

You are missing the point entirely.

 

[Evolvd]

I think what he is trying to say is that the ev vehicles consume electric and that electric is produced by burning fossil fuels among other sources. Then you have nuclear power producing which produces major environmental hazards of their own like contaminated nuclear waste. With that said, I don't know what the answer is, but I'm not convinced ev are any better for the environment when looking at the big picture. Idk. Thoughts?

I know what he was saying. And nuclear is the cleanest energy source known to man. The spent fuel from nuclear production is minuscule compared to the emissions created from fossil fuels and comes out as a solid that can't leach into water or food supplies.

https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/5-fast-facts-about-spent-nuclear-fuel

 

[GregO]

You are missing the point entirely.

I don’t think I’m missing anything here.

 

[MAGS1]

Nope Cobb sold tunes and parts for off road race cars. What the customer does with it after purchase is not Cobbs doing.

This is a very slippery slope. Should Ford be responsible if you leave a C&C and wipe out 4 spectators? Should Ford and Jim Beam be responsible if you drive drunk and kill someone?

If manufacturers are going to be held responsible for misuse of their products, no one will make consumer products. If they do the liability insurance they buy will be so expensive a box of nails will cost 10,000 dollars.

Only if Cobb marketed them as such. If they did not and knowingly defeated emissions systems, then they broke the law and received their punishment as they should.

If it was marketed as off-road use only, then I agree it’s a slippery slope. Catless long tubes disappeared from websites due to this issue and they were marketed as off-road only. The problem is/was the end user but as some others have mentioned, the EPA isn’t going to go after every Tom, Dick and Harry (at least let’s hope not), they’re going to go to the source.

I do believe in following the law, whether we like them or not. I also believe in advocating for change to such laws, especially when there are better solutions out there. As discussed earlier, voting is one way to advocate for change. Writing the people that represent you in Congress is another way (yes I’m fully aware that 99% of them don’t care what we say unless we donate big bags of cash). No better time than the present.

Illinois is trying to pass legislation to adopt ALL of California’s emissions standards, including the ban on the sale of new ICE vehicles after 2030 (or 2035 can’t remember which off the top of my head). I’ve written to all of our state legislators that represent my area of the state as well as the governor. I’ve gotten a couple “thanks for your concerns, I’ll look into it” emails and a lot of no responses. But I at least feel I’m advocating for what I feel is best for me and for the hobby that I enjoy. Get enough people to join the cause and you may actually get the change you hope for.

Ok off my box now. Back to nuclear powered golf carts

 

[K4fxd]

Coming to a dirt track near you.

Headline EPA cracks down on emissions defeated cars.

Last night 50 armed EPA agents raided Florence Speedway They confiscated 250 cars with illegal emissions systems. 75 were arrested.

The "agency" one day decided any car with a vin cannot be modified for offroad use only. No vote, no debate no nothing. Now they are "fining" companies for making "off road" parts and software.

The following from the link I posted on page 1.


What many people don’t seem to understand is Congress has never clearly defined what constitutes an “emissions defeat device” so the EPA has free reign to change its own definition as it pleases. This practice is performed by other federal regulators, making compliance by businesses and individuals trickier and full of pitfalls.

Which brings us to the next point: people who say if you’re not doing anything wrong, you don’t have anything to worry about. Well, they likely commit felonies on the regular and aren’t aware, but boy those same people are first in line to cast stones at anyone marched out by the feds for public humiliation.

That brings us to the sobering truth that individuals are likely not too far off from being visited by armed EPA agents who are just trying to keep the air clean. While pollution isn’t something we celebrate, using that as a pretext for crushing American businesses and going after private citizens for “emissions defeat devices” seems uneven.

After all, why doesn’t the EPA look into pollution generated by the production of electric vehicles? The answer is obvious: political expedience. This isn’t about fighting pollution, it’s about power and control.

Just remember that when the nice EPA agents clad in tactical gear descend on you home for using whatever they’ve decided currently constitutes an “emissions defeat device.”

 

[S550HPP]

Yes indeed. And what environmental hazard is gonna be caused when all these batteries have to be disposed of? Just food for thought. And I'm not saying I have the answers. Just pondering different thoughts

No worries UA did a 100Yr +lease for several thousand acres in West UA to some elites they will dump them all there where the crop are make the people sicker in W Europe and sell them more pharma haha.

 

[GregO]

Illinois is trying to pass legislation to adopt ALL of California’s emissions standards, including the ban on the sale of new ICE vehicles after 2030 (or 2035 can’t remember which off the top of my head).

California leads the way, like it or not.
They are the world’s 5th largest economy by GDP. It’s a sad and painful truth.
As far as the Off-Road thing is concerned, unless the business making the product is deemed “purpose built” and licensed off road racing only (ie; Multimatic) they will get an EPA pass. Anyone else forget it, it’s a new world with new laws.

 

[MAGS1]

California leads the way, like it or not.
They are the world’s 5th largest economy by GDP. It’s a sad and painful truth.
As far as the Off-Road thing is concerned, unless the business making the product is deemed “purpose built” and licensed off road racing only (ie; Multimatic) they will get an EPA pass. Any one else forget it, it’s a new world with new laws.

I agree, it’s an uphill battle. But I do think some of their policies are shortsighted (putting it politely) and I will do my part here in IL to push against it. SEMA Action Network is here lobbying against it as are other groups. I’m hopeful but not optimistic.

 

[K4fxd]

@GregO @MAGS1

What do you think about the real issue? Cobb or Lund or SCT or Kooks or any company being held responsible for the misuse of their products?

If I buy and install Hoosier drag slicks ,not DOT approved for street use, on my car. Lets say I get caught in a rain storm and crash into a mini van full of kids.

Who is responsible? Me? Hoosier? Ford, cause it is a mustang?

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