Mustang GT Premium vs Mustang GT PP1

[GeigerZ]

If the PP1 will be driving 100% on the street, I totally agree there won't be a difference.

Take a PP1 and Non-PP1 to a road course and let an instructor drive both. It will become apparent there is a huge difference after 10-15 laps with hard braking and constant high RPM. Used to be a High Performance Driving Experience Instructor and never compared the these two, but have compared other models.

So you don't think I'm an Internet armchair HPDE rider: 2012 GT500 Texas World Speedway

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[luc]

Very simple in fact, if you intend to regularly track your car you NEED the PP1 as base to built upon
Even if you end up changing wheels, tires and suspension
Anyone that say otherwise know squat about what pushing a car on a race track is

 

[Zooks527]

However I'd say that Magneride is one of the options that does make a difference in daily driving. Whether it is worth the money - that's completely different story.

The biggest driver for me getting the PP1 was to get the MagneRide. Then again, for the 2019, the PP1/MR combination was $5700 MSRP, not $7000, and I was dealing the price down from there.

 

[stangman09]

this i can agree with mostly just because of the brakes. But you sorta back my point up.. sorta. for the daily driver this is a nothing package just upsell. Cause I can tell you most these people are not instructors driving their cars hard for 15 laps around a track LOL. If so then by all means buy the pp1 but everyday street driving you are not gonna see much to no difference.

This is the point I was trying to get at. As even though there are parts that make the PP1 different from a regular premium I won't be to tell a difference probably from a daily driver. I figured that putting coilers on with a nice wheel set will already transform the car just as much if not better than the PP1. Not saying the performance car is not capable, but in my opinion, I think making your car your own with the additions you make will make it that much special. The reason why I put that set up in there is because I really want to make this a daily driver and weekend carving car.

 

[MaskedRacerX]

But do you drive a non pp1 car daily that's same model? What's your bases for comparison to 100% say it's better? A 5 min test drive if a non pp1. Or your older model you traded in? I drive regularly both a pp1 and non pp1 same year same model same everything. I can tell you there ain't 5k of difference.

ah I bow out LOL this is no different then the 87 93 octane debate. you can show people proof all day long but unless its what cost the most then its all crap with car people LOL. 7k is a deal? man i wish i had the throw away income some of you seem to have. I remember when a whole damn car was only 7k. now some bits and pieces are 7k and people are oh its a deal even though the same exact thing just 3 years ago was 2k. wish I had yalls money to blow.

Yep, drove a MY18+ base (well, Premium/401a/Ebony package), PP1 w/o MR and PP1 w/ MR, and based my purchasing decision on several factors: my review of S550.2 vehicles, my ownership of a '2016 PP1 car (and the previous tests of non-PP1 cars in the S550 flavor, as well as considering and driving a few '13/'14 GT500s), my ownership of several performance cars including a number of Vettes, and other moderately to extensively modified performance models from various manufacturers (including my 750 HP Supra that was a near ground up build).

I tested a number of other cars before both GT purchases including vehicles like an M3/M4. I also have close to 100 track events under my belt over a couple of decades, including road course, A/X and a couple of sanctioned top end runs (including DIY'ing all the required prep for said events), and a decent amount of wheel time with other makes/models at those events for comparison (Vipers, GT-R, P-cars).

So yeah, I feel like I made a pretty qualified choice, informed by a reasonable amount of experience.

I know im gonna hear shit for this but Im telling you I saw with my own eyes and i called and verified it with the dealer. But when I was looking for my car in 19 I saw a window sticker for a gt premium with magna ride and NO PP1 or 2.

Pics or it didn't happen. It doesn't exist in any documentation anywhere, not on the official Ford configurator, not in any literature - you can start a thread here and solicit owners of non-PPx cars that have OEM Magneride and you won't get a single confirmation.

 

[stangman09]

IN my opinion i think you would be happier and it would cost less.

Thank you for your insight! I am glad to hear the perspective of someone who drove both cars!

 

[MaskedRacerX]

dont care I know what I saw and didnt believe it myself I called and verified. Yeah Im gonna magically produce a pic of a window sticker form 2 years ago ok...

I have phones pictures from the last decade, and digital pics from the last 2, so sure, why not?

 

[MaskedRacerX]

I mean, I __had__ a picture of B

Thank you for your insight! I am glad to hear the perspective of someone who drove both cars!

Here's the thing, if you really want aftermarket, for whatever reason: to better differentiate your car from all the other Mustangs on the road, for the fun of doing it (which I get, I've done a few "max effort" type builds), to have less cost up front and/or financed (and you'll do upgrades incrementally).

Sure!

I mean, even with a PP1 car I'm still running aftermarket wheels/tires, even with the Active Exhaust, I still added an H-pipe (AE is awesome BTW).

@Mikthehun1 had some very specific rationale with not choosing a PP1, but it wasn't because "it's not really better", his cost-to-value/improvement dicated it wasn't worth it, especially with a full tilt replacement and not wanting the staggered wheels.

The MR tech is really a game changer on the Mustang, handling is more predictable, the ride is more compliant, it's reactive to vertical shifts providing a level of control that's not possible with a "fixed" suspension system, but granted, it's ~$6K with discounts (i.e., PP + MR).

I wanted a car, that from day one, of ownership, with a full warranty, would give me the best experience, that wouldn't require downtime, etc., so I went with as full of a loaded GT as I could source.

It's been pretty spectacular ...

 

[Grintch]

Nothing must have in the Premium package for me. And it seems overpriced for the fluff you get.

The current pricing of the PP1 package (now >2x what it cost in 2015) makes going aftermarket for the upgrades a valid choice.

 

[stangman09]

I mean, I __had__ a picture of B



Here's the thing, if you really want aftermarket, for whatever reason: to better differentiate your car from all the other Mustangs on the road, for the fun of doing it (which I get, I've done a few "max effort" type builds), to have less cost up front and/or financed (and you'll do upgrades incrementally).

Sure!

I mean, even with a PP1 car I'm still running aftermarket wheels/tires, even with the Active Exhaust, I still added an H-pipe (AE is awesome BTW).

@Mikthehun1 had some very specific rationale with not choosing a PP1, but it wasn't because "it's not really better", his cost-to-value/improvement dicated it wasn't worth it, especially with a full tilt replacement and not wanting the staggered wheels.

The MR tech is really a game changer on the Mustang, handling is more predictable, the ride is more compliant, it's reactive to vertical shifts providing a level of control that's not possible with a "fixed" suspension system, but granted, it's ~$6K with discounts (i.e., PP + MR).

I wanted a car, that from day one, of ownership, with a full warranty, would give me the best experience, that wouldn't require downtime, etc., so I went with as full of a loaded GT as I could source.

It's been pretty spectacular ...

Thank you for your insight, I really appreciate the help! I guess at the end of the day I am looking for a better cost to value.

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

dont care I know what I saw and didnt believe it myself I called and verified. Yeah Im gonna magically produce a pic of a window sticker form 2 years ago ok...

You trust what someone at a dealership says? Whoever you talked to didn't know what they were talking about, which is about par for the course for any dealer I've been to. MagneRide is not an option on non PP1 cars. And it's MagneRide, not MagnaRide. Magne as in "Magnetic". When adding MagneRide to the Ford configurator, it forces the build into a PP1 car.

 

[Rock&Roll]

How much is the Premium with PP and Magneride that some of you guys say you gotta get ?

FWIW, there wasn’t any Black Premiums with PP and Magneride when I was looking. I wouldn’t have been able to afford one anyway. I’m happy with what I have. Car rides great snd has plenty of power.

 

[MaskedRacerX]

You trust what someone at a dealership says? Whoever you talked to didn't know what they were talking about, which is about par for the course for any dealer I've been to. MagneRide is not an option on non PP1 cars. And it's MagneRide, not MagnaRide. Magne as in "Magnetic". When adding MagneRide to the Ford configurator, it forces the build into a PP1 car.

I went through this with him months ago, took screen shots of the configurator, supplied literature from Ford - the hardware for Magneride is a matching system, it's all built around the PPx suspension, including special springs, and we know the hubs for MR cars are even specific (it's sourced from the GT350). Plus, there's additional sensors, controllers, programming, even Ford, regardless of who asked for it, doesn't just pull some random parts off the shelf and cram them into an incompatible car during a build, that's absurd.

He probably saw a PP1 car where the buyer wanted the wheels swapped to regular 20" GT wheels, and never picked up the car - saw the wheels (i.e., the most conspicuous identifier), thought, "Oh, this isn't a PP car", looked at the sticker, saw MR, didn't note it also indicated Performance Package, and just did a 2 + 2 = 5.

 

[NoVaGT]

The OP is in California. I think they take....what....$500 off sticker in California?

OP, fly to Northern Virginia, and drive your new car home. Even with the cost of gas and hotels, it will be thousands cheaper.

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[MaskedRacerX]

The OP is in California. I think they take....what....$500 off sticker in California?

OP, fly to Northern Virginia, and drive your new car home. Even with the cost of gas and hotels, it will be thousands cheaper.

Heck yeah, when I bought my '16, it was a new inventory on a lot up in MD, I'm in FL, didn't even see it in person, had it shipped to my door with ~$10K discounted, a good $4K better than all the locals, and it was the perfect configuration I was having trouble finding (in 2015, it was tough finding a '16 GT convertible with the PP, most convertibles were automatics ...)

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