No remote start on manual 2019?

[2017GBGTPP]

I imagine that something would be looking for a transmission selector to identify that the transmission was specifically in 'P' or possibly 'N' before remote start could be enabled.

In a MT there would be no 'P' position sensing possible, and I'm not even sure about 'N'.


Norm

And if that isn't the case and can be enabled with Forscan, then it's a disaster waiting to happen...

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[Vlad Soare]

The manual gearbox knows what gear you're in, because it can display it on the instrument panel.

 

[WD Pro]

Does the dash display use a sensor or an algorithm using a combination of road speed / engine revs / box ratios / final drive ratio ?

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[Vlad Soare]

I'm sure it's a sensor.

 

[Ebm]

I wonder what people did before having remote start, heated seats, adaptive cruise control, and the list goes on...
Oh yeah, they actually took their key, put it in the door and turned, opened the door and got in, put the key in the ignition and turned, started the car up, and DROVE THE DANG CAR.

Honestly, people have gotten soft over the years. Ooooh, I'm too cold. Ooooh, I'm too hot. Oooh, I don't want to drive today, I'll just sit in the driver's seat and let the car drive for me. The problem is, with all the BS(some call it luxury, I call it laziness) in cars today, people have forgotten how to drive. It's pathetic.

Oh yeah, about the remote start in a manual car... Yeah, it ain't gonna happen. Ford doesn't sell enough manuals to even attempt this safety issue. Plus, the manuals Ford sells are on a performance car. Ford knows they will sell the car successfully without such option as a remote start.

 

[MaskedRacerX]

Honestly, people have gotten soft over the years.

Sometimes when I'm taking a relaxing bubble bath, I remote start my car using my iPhone. The rumble from the garage causes our Jacuzzi tub to vibrate ... it makes me giggle.

 

[Vlad Soare]

I wonder what people did before having remote start, heated seats, adaptive cruise control, and the list goes on...
Oh yeah, they actually took their key, put it in the door and turned, opened the door and got in, put the key in the ignition and turned, started the car up, and DROVE THE DANG CAR.

You can go even further and ask what people did before having cars. Oh yeah, they rode horses or walked. But personally I wouldn't want to go back to those times.

Over here we often have frozen rain in winter. I'd like to see you open the door of a Mustang (or any car with frameless windows for that matter) that's covered in a 2 mm thick layer of hard ice.

Oh yeah, about the remote start in a manual car... Yeah, it ain't gonna happen.

I'm sure it ain't gonna happen officially. The question is, can we make it happen with some software hacks?

 

[Bikeman315]

The problem is, with all the BS(some call it luxury, I call it laziness) in cars today, people have forgotten how to drive. It's pathetic.

Who are you calling lazy? I have my wife remote start my Mustang.

 

[Bikeman315]

I'm sure it ain't gonna happen officially. The question is, can we make it happen with some software hacks?

If this could have been done, someone would have figured it out by now. It hasn’t so we can all move on now.

 

[Norm Peterson]

The manual gearbox knows what gear you're in, because it can display it on the instrument panel.

Keep in mind that a MT gear position sensor doesn't know anything about a "gear position" called 'Park'.

Even knowing about 'N' is not enough for determining that 'N' for a MT was a legitimate position for enabling the starter. Given that the MT cars come with a clutch pedal interlock switch and that you can then start a MT car up regardless of where the shifter is in the pattern, I'm not at all sure that such 'N' sensing is available for anything beyond IP indication. It probably could be, but I think building that much new logic into the system would take a lot more than just editing one or two characters in FORSCAN.

I still think the best way for remote start to co-exist with a conventional 3-pedal MT is for the MT to gain a 'Park' position off to one side of the H-based pattern. Simpler and more reliable than any of the approaches being used (no matter whether aftermarket or OE).


Norm

 

[Ebm]

You can go even further and ask what people did before having cars. Oh yeah, they rode horses or walked. But personally I wouldn't want to go back to those times.

Over here we often have frozen rain in winter. I'd like to see you open the door of a Mustang (or any car with frameless windows for that matter) that's covered in a 2 mm thick layer of hard ice.


I'm sure it ain't gonna happen officially. The question is, can we make it happen with some software hacks?

Whenever NC gets winter weather, it is usually freezing rain or ice more than snow. I know it sucks opening a door that seems to be glued shut. We should try a crowbar next time yeah?

Regarding your horse or walking comment, it's apples to oranges. Cars have helped us become more efficient in our daily lives. Less commute time, the ability to haul lots of people, the ability to commute in dangerous conditions. Have all these creature comforts caused you to become more efficient or more lazy? Heated seats? Sure, they are nice. Do they help you to get to work faster? Absolutely not. Blindside monitoring? Yes, a computer to do work for you. Is it nice to have? I wouldn't know, never had a vehicle with them. Do they handicap people? Absolutely! Makes people lazy and gives people a false sense of confidence. My argument above wasn't the fact that people shouldn't have nice things in life, but more so people relying on all these things when they shouldn't. A lot of people in this country and others can't drive anymore because they rely on all these computers and sensors to tell them what to do. The modern car is too busy and distracting.

 

[Bikeman315]

Whenever NC gets winter weather, it is usually freezing rain or ice more than snow. I know it sucks opening a door that seems to be glued shut. We should try a crowbar next time yeah?

When I lived in NJ I encountered this a few times in my 15’ EB. Solution. Used remote start to warm up the car. No problem.

 

[Norm Peterson]

You can go even further and ask what people did before having cars. Oh yeah, they rode horses or walked.

And I bet they didn't whine nearly as much about what they didn't have as people today do when they don't feel sufficiently catered to.

Over here we often have frozen rain in winter. I'd like to see you open the door of a Mustang (or any car with frameless windows for that matter) that's covered in a 2 mm thick layer of hard ice.

Obviously, selecting form over function can have its functional drawbacks. Dare I suggest that the problem here is really a design choice that spites the need for function just to get the form?

I'm sure it ain't gonna happen officially. The question is, can we make it happen with some software hacks?

Maybe the bigger question to ask is how have people become so spoiled that they can't walk out to their cars and start them up the normal way? Why they think that their cars must provide so many of the functions that used to be performed for them only if they were rich enough to retain a chauffeur? Have our collective snooty noses turned that far upward?


Norm

 

[Vlad Soare]

Regarding your horse or walking comment, it's apples to oranges. Cars have helped us become more efficient in our daily lives. Less commute time, the ability to haul lots of people, the ability to commute in dangerous conditions. Have all these creature comforts caused you to become more efficient or more lazy? Heated seats? Sure, they are nice. Do they help you to get to work faster? Absolutely not. Blindside monitoring? Yes, a computer to do work for you. Is it nice to have? I wouldn't know, never had a vehicle with them. Do they handicap people? Absolutely! Makes people lazy and gives people a false sense of confidence. My argument above wasn't the fact that people shouldn't have nice things in life, but more so people relying on all these things when they shouldn't. A lot of people in this country and others can't drive anymore because they rely on all these computers and sensors to tell them what to do. The modern car is too busy and distracting.

Efficiency isn't everything. The little things that make life nicer and more comfortable are also important.
If being efficient were my sole purpose in life, I would buy a Prius, not a Mustang. Or better still, I would use public transport.

I do agree with you when it comes to the excess of 'safety' features - hence my query on the other thread about disabling the collision alert system. If you could help me with that I would really appreciate it.

And I bet they didn't whine nearly as much about what they didn't have as people today do when they don't feel sufficiently catered to.

That's because there was no internet back then.

Going back to remote starters, I know there are third party alarms that have a remote start feature even with manual gearboxes. So it definitely is possible. But I don't want that. Hacking a factory software to activate a hidden (factory) feature is one thing. Piggybacking an external device is another, and I'm really not keen on that.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Efficiency isn't everything. The little things that make life nicer and more comfortable are also important.
If being efficient were my sole purpose in life, I would buy a Prius, not a Mustang. Or better still, I would use public transport.

Like Ebm said, people have been increasingly distorting 'want' all the way into some level of 'need'. A "why bother to do anything yourself if you can have it done for you" outlook on life that places no value on doing things for yourself.

That's because there was no internet back then.

Whining doesn't need the internet to happen, though I suppose the Internet does encourage more of it. That still doesn't make it an attractive human trait, though.

What I do remember from the 1950's and 1960's (first-hand, BTW) is that people just sucked it up and dealt with whatever it was. With maybe a cuss word or two muttered under their breath along the way, and forgotten by the time the task was completed. Ice-locked doors? Figure out a way to break through it and get on with your day was the way it worked back then. Oh yeah . . . I guess that means you need to have a sense of self-reliance.

Sure, I'd grumble a bit if I woke up tomorrow to find a foot of snow had fallen overnight. But that wouldn't get the snow shoveled, so I'd just get out there and get it done. Would I rather be doing something else? Probably. But what I might want to do would have to wait until what I had to do got done. It's an attitude thing.

Going back to remote starters, I know there are third party alarms that have a remote start feature even with manual gearboxes. So it definitely is possible. But I don't want that. Hacking a factory software to activate a hidden (factory) feature is one thing. Piggybacking an external device is another, and I'm really not keen on that.

Sounds like you should be the guy pushing for a Park position in MTs rather than me. I'm only looking for a legitimate solution here; people like you are the ones who'd benefit from it.


Norm

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