Friday at the Track: 2016 Tech Pack = No Limp Mode!!

[Minn19]

This is the 2nd time you have questioned my posts. I really think you have no clue about why the forums are here as well as the car you own or drive. It seems there are alot of people on these forums that have bad mouthed ANYTHING anyone has had either good luck or found out about the cars. I have nothing to prove but when you understand ALL these gt350's why don't you call Ford and apply for a job. As I have said for 1.5 years these cars are all over the place on how they work, run or last. They are all unique and some better than others. I have lucked out with a good car but not so good dealer. I have learned tricks and have passed them on as we all should on the forums but I really think you need to keep your comments to your self for now since you seem to be very opinionated with no validation on my car, functions or my career. the best to you

Look, not to get in the middle of it, but I believe you are the one that complained quite a bit about your car and your dealer. To the point that you were never going to buy another Ford ever again. Then you tried to sell your car with an interesting ad about it. If I have you confused with someone else I apologize, but I think I remember this correctly.

The only person I can think of that has said their track pack car or R that went limp on the track was a guy in Dubai/ME I think. Maybe one other guy. Otherwise we would see quite colorful threads about non tech/base car going limp on the track, especially an R. So yah I don't blame anyone for questioning your repeated claims about this.

Yes these cars have many variations in quality, but not nearly to the degree you are claiming.

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[crazyfish]

Buddy listen here, you want to talk about validation? You post highly dubious claims repeatedly with No proof or evidence whatsoever.

Oh yeah, your "stock" car runs low 11's at 124mph...

Oh yeah, your tech car with NO coolers ran without limp mode AT THE SAME TIME where track pack's and R's were overheating...

Talk about validation, how about stop posting complete nonsense. If you want to make ridiculous claims about your car, you better to provide some shred of proof or otherwise be prepared to get called out on it.

Saying your car ran without limp mode is very believable. Saying it happened at the same time that other cars with coolers were overheating is stretching it beyond belief.... kind of leads us back to that guy who tried to make people believe the whole "super rare 1of1 TRUE BASE car"....

I don't want to get in a passing match. But you are a turd and have no clue on what your talking about. When you have issues with your car don't come to the forum looking for help because you seem to know it all.

You don't know it all and probably less about these cars. If you don't like what I post ignore it and ill do the same with yours.

 

[autobahnGT350]

I know exactly what it takes for the tech pack transmission to get hot, having experienced it in my car a number of times.

[MENTION=12069]Hack[/MENTION], can you explain under what conditions, temps, etc, and if your car has any mods, such as a tune. If your car is stock, then it's not an apples to apples comparison to my car, but an apples to oranges, as my car has the aforementioned mods, and did well enough to hang for up 30 minutes. I know, I got a ringer, haha.

JLT does claim that they have not overheated their 2016 tech pack on numerous track events as well, so it's highly possible that the tune is helping.

 

[J_Maher_AMG]

I don't want to get in a passing match. But you are a turd and have no clue on what your talking about. When you have issues with your car don't come to the forum looking for help because you seem to know it all.

You don't know it all and probably less about these cars. If you don't like what I post ignore it and ill do the same with yours.

I'm a turd and a know it all? Buddy I can claim that I'm the fastest runner in the world and I can jump over a building, don't make it true without proof.

You make retarded claims, show no evidence, and call me a turd and a know it all for not believing you.... righttt, bro. Back up some of your bullshit claims. Oh, you can't? Who would have thought. :lol::headbonk:

Just because you don't believe nonsense doesn't make one a know it all LOL

 

[crazyfish]

Look, not to get in the middle of it, but I believe you are the one that complained quite a bit about your car and your dealer. To the point that you were never going to buy another Ford ever again. Then you tried to sell your car with an interesting ad about it. If I have you confused with someone else I apologize, but I think I remember this correctly.

The only person I can think of that has said their track pack car or R that went limp on the track was a guy in Dubai/ME I think. Maybe one one other guy. Otherwise we would see quite colorful threads about non tech/base car going limp on the track, especially an R. So yah I don't blame anyone for questioning your repeated claims about this.

Yes these cars have many variations in quality, but not nearly to the degree you are claiming.

Yes I posted I had problems with my dealer. My problems were purely cosmetic and financial things the dealer created. They would not correct any warranty work. Yes I posted I won't buy another Ford. Why? Because I was approved for a GT and purchased 3 vehicles in 4 months from this dealer and any warranty work(fit and finish) would not be covered on my gt350 and other items. basically got lied to and approached Ford corporate for a solution with NO resolution. I had a deposit with the dealer in question more than the cost of my car. I requested it back after this fiasco because of trust. Again got lied to. It took 5 months with a lawyer to get it back.

Would you buy another Ford after being lied to about current purchased vehicles from them as well as their new Halo six figure car? Granted dealer probably created more of the problems than Ford but who is going to back up their dealers to take care of the customer. Trust is important?

However bought 2 other cars that at least I have had good past experiences with. Went back to trust and support. So far so good.

Also my gt350 has never been for sale. Well I mean everything is for sale but I won't give it away. My intention was to keep it for some time.

 

[Hack]

Hack, why would you question my statement as I stated all factually. I am a bit surprised myself, but, hey, I was able to get some good sessions in is the bottom line. Perhaps the tune does have some magic, don't know if it does or not, but you can maintain your skepticism while I continue to have fun.

Assembly lines and mass production should ensure our cars are quite similar - basically as identical as it is possible for the manufacturers to make them. That is why I would question that a tech pack car without coolers could run quickly on a track without the transmission getting hot. And if the transmission somehow didn't get hot - the rear differential certainly would.

[MENTION=12069]Hack[/MENTION], can you explain under what conditions, temps, etc, and if your car has any mods, such as a tune. If your car is stock, then it's not an apples to apples comparison to my car, but an apples to oranges, as my car has the aforementioned mods, and did well enough to hang for up 30 minutes. I know, I got a ringer, haha.

JLT does claim that they have not overheated their 2016 tech pack on numerous track events as well, so it's highly possible that the tune is helping.

My car has the track pack transmission in it and the factory transmission cooler. However, last year before I did the swap I went to the track. It was in the lower to mid 50s in the morning with a high of 70 degrees. My car went into limp mode within a few minutes during the first track session. I've only been to the track a couple times; I'm not a super fast track driver. I also wasn't trying to push as fast as I could in that first track session.

Unless the JLT tune pulls power from the engine I don't see how it is going to affect the transmission temperature.

 

[Tank]

Congrats! I almost always enjoyed Summit Point. Love that circuit!

Hey [MENTION=22916]Zombo[/MENTION],

I've read the OP and some of the ones expressing skepticism....
Seeing your familiar w this track, is it possible to do the whole circuit in 5th gear?

[MENTION=20578]autobahnGT350[/MENTION], your claims are pretty fantastic, congratulations if all are factual

I am not familiar with your track but do know how my Tech handles at various speeds and in what gear. You say your instructor ran the whole circuit only in 5th gear and then go on to talk about corners and apexes.... Apex and 5th gear....Maybe I don't have enough experience but do know when my Tech starts lugging.

You talk quite a bit about your oil temps but what about your transmission oil temps? Surely you've enabled the factory installed transmission oil temperature display.

Also, and I am regretting this already, but the OP kinda reads like a Tech pack version of a Penthouse forum letter...just saying :lol:

 

[firestarter2]

I can't believe a tech pack car would stay cool if driven hard for more than 5 or 6 minutes on a day that is 60 F or warmer. Maybe your car already has the factory coolers on it - or someone did some modifications that you aren't aware of. I know exactly what it takes for the tech pack transmission to get hot, having experienced it in my car a number of times.

PS Your "tech pack" has the track pack spoiler on it.

Ive been at track with tech pack GT350 that didnt limp in 20 minute sessions above 60F.

 

[firestarter2]

Assembly lines and mass production should ensure our cars are quite similar - basically as identical as it is possible for the manufacturers to make them. That is why I would question that a tech pack car without coolers could run quickly on a track without the transmission getting hot. And if the transmission somehow didn't get hot - the rear differential certainly would.


My car has the track pack transmission in it and the factory transmission cooler. However, last year before I did the swap I went to the track. It was in the lower to mid 50s in the morning with a high of 70 degrees. My car went into limp mode within a few minutes during the first track session. I've only been to the track a couple times; I'm not a super fast track driver. I also wasn't trying to push as fast as I could in that first track session.

Unless the JLT tune pulls power from the engine I don't see how it is going to affect the transmission temperature.

It sounds like there is something wrong with your car above and beyond the lack of coolers

 

[TDC]

Facts about my tech pack car that SUPPORT variations in tech pack performance on the track. Reading threads that claim every tech pack overheats within minutes on a track gets a bit old:

Pocono Raceway with a long straight and 50-60F ambient - No limp mode after (3) 20 minute sessions with at least an hour break in between

New Jersey Motorsports Park Thunderbolt track and 60F ambient - (2) 20 minute sessions with no limp mode and at least an hour break in between. Then session (3) hit limp mode about 10 minutes in. Session (4) was only about 30 minutes later and hit limp mode again about 10 minutes in.

Now I added the tranny cooler with an electric pump and the trans runs 195F at it's worst even after two back to back 20 minute sessions. Good idea OP to get the added coolers. So much more fun at the track without the limp mode monkey on my back.

 

[Caballus]

Great write up and pictures. Congrats on beating the limp mode monster. May want to do the FORSCan tweak to monitor trans temp to learn whether by some fluke you're exceeding safe temps. Anyway, well done!

 

[autobahnGT350]

Great write up and pictures. Congrats on beating the limp mode monster. May want to do the FORSCan tweak to monitor trans temp to learn whether by some fluke you're exceeding safe temps. Anyway, well done!

[MENTION=21162]Caballus[/MENTION]s,

Thank you. I did not do the FORSCan tweak yet but do plan on doing so to ensure that I am not exceeding safe temps. I mentioned in a separate post that I would like to add the coolers for reliability and reassurance for the next time. For now, I have a reasonable benchmark of my car and have some ideas for some other mods.

Having spent nearly 25 years in Germany when I stationed there, I lived at Hockenheim and that track was a blast.

I also have to comment that I think their is a little schadenfreude symptom going on. Having spent 30 years in the service serving to protect people, and then doing the same as a civilian, where my life evolves around being truthful, hence the polygraphs I must take for my job I find it disheartening that people don't" believe others when making statements. Their is no value added at least for me to fabricate any of the details. Sorry for venting on you, you are a fellow person in the same world as I am, and the main tools in my rucksack are fortitude, truthfulness, and esprit de corps, something many people don't have ny idea of what the meaning is.

Keep us informed of your big track days in Germany.

 

[autobahnGT350]

Facts about my tech pack car that SUPPORT variations in tech pack performance on the track. Reading threads that claim every tech pack overheats within minutes on a track gets a bit old:

Pocono Raceway with a long straight and 50-60F ambient - No limp mode after (3) 20 minute sessions with at least an hour break in between

New Jersey Motorsports Park Thunderbolt track and 60F ambient - (2) 20 minute sessions with no limp mode and at least an hour break in between. Then session (3) hit limp mode about 10 minutes in. Session (4) was only about 30 minutes later and hit limp mode again about 10 minutes in.

Now I added the tranny cooler with an electric pump and the trans runs 195F at it's worst even after two back to back 20 minute sessions. Good idea OP to get the added coolers. So much more fun at the track without the limp mode monkey on my back.

[MENTION=13658]TDC[/MENTION],

Great feedback. I will be following in your footsteps with the cooler installs this fall. I need to go figure out that FORSCan tweak now.

 

[Zombo]

Hey @Zombo ,

I've read the OP and some of the ones expressing skepticism....
Seeing your familiar w this track, is it possible to do the whole circuit in 5th gear?

@autobahnGT350 , your claims are pretty fantastic, congratulations if all are factual

I am not familiar with your track but do know how my Tech handles at various speeds and in what gear. You say your instructor ran the whole circuit only in 5th gear and then go on to talk about corners and apexes.... Apex and 5th gear....Maybe I don't have enough experience but do know when my Tech starts lugging.

You talk quite a bit about your oil temps but what about your transmission oil temps? Surely you've enabled the factory installed transmission oil temperature display.

Also, and I am regretting this already, but the OP kinda reads like a Tech pack version of a Penthouse forum letter...just saying :lol:

It certainly is possible, but not likely if you want to go fast. More like 2nd, 3rd and 4th. Possibly 5th on the front straight, which is ~3000 ft long and follows a fairly fast turn 10.

I can see the instructor driving the circuit in 5th, just showing the OP the way around. When I drove students cars, I wasn't looking to set records.

Also, not everyone driving on a circuit goes balls out all the time. It could be driven like a spirited county drive.

 

[Hack]

Facts about my tech pack car that SUPPORT variations in tech pack performance on the track. Reading threads that claim every tech pack overheats within minutes on a track gets a bit old:

Pocono Raceway with a long straight and 50-60F ambient - No limp mode after (3) 20 minute sessions with at least an hour break in between

New Jersey Motorsports Park Thunderbolt track and 60F ambient - (2) 20 minute sessions with no limp mode and at least an hour break in between. Then session (3) hit limp mode about 10 minutes in. Session (4) was only about 30 minutes later and hit limp mode again about 10 minutes in.

Now I added the tranny cooler with an electric pump and the trans runs 195F at it's worst even after two back to back 20 minute sessions. Good idea OP to get the added coolers. So much more fun at the track without the limp mode monkey on my back.

Gotcha and understood. I suppose there can be variations in tracks and driver techniques. I'm less inclined to believe that there is such a big variation in cars, though. I've only driven one tech pack car - mine - and I've only driven it at one track.

[MENTION=21162]Caballus[/MENTION]s,

Thank you. I did not do the FORSCan tweak yet but do plan on doing so to ensure that I am not exceeding safe temps. I mentioned in a separate post that I would like to add the coolers for reliability and reassurance for the next time. For now, I have a reasonable benchmark of my car and have some ideas for some other mods.

Having spent nearly 25 years in Germany when I stationed there, I lived at Hockenheim and that track was a blast.

I also have to comment that I think their is a little schadenfreude symptom going on. Having spent 30 years in the service serving to protect people, and then doing the same as a civilian, where my life evolves around being truthful, hence the polygraphs I must take for my job I find it disheartening that people don't" believe others when making statements. Their is no value added at least for me to fabricate any of the details. Sorry for venting on you, you are a fellow person in the same world as I am, and the main tools in my rucksack are fortitude, truthfulness, and esprit de corps, something many people don't have ny idea of what the meaning is.

Keep us informed of your big track days in Germany.

No need to insult me in saying I would derive pleasure from your misery. Obviously I just don't know why your car didn't get warm when mine did and I find it difficult to believe knowing my car as well as I do.

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