wengerd performance or Ortiz Performance

[ZXMustang]

Woah wait a minute. I get putting a screen on the filter side to smooth out turbulent air before the maf, but why the hell did you put one on the throttle body side ALSO??? What the hell were you thinking??

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[shogun32]

If one screen is good, two is better!

 

[fmc_smt]

Woah wait a minute. I get putting a screen on the filter side to smooth out turbulent air before the maf, but why the hell did you put one on the throttle body side ALSO??? What the hell were you thinking??

More is better , right ? lol

 

[tdstuart]

Woah wait a minute. I get putting a screen on the filter side to smooth out turbulent air before the maf, but why the hell did you put one on the throttle body side ALSO??? What the hell were you thinking??

I told you I did a lot of testing. Why are you so eager to give me shit? Do I need to send you my address so you can watch me install the intake?

I pulled my engine by myself in my garage in less than 2 days. You really think I can’t install an intake still

 

[ZXMustang]

I told you I did a lot of testing. Why are you so eager to give me shit? Do I need to send you my address so you can watch me install the intake?

I pulled my engine by myself in my garage in less than 2 days. You really think I can’t install an intake still

No I very simply asked you why you felt the need to put a screen on the TB side of the intake past the MAF. Straight forward question because to me it makes ZERO sense. I’m not giving you shit.

 

[K4fxd]

@tdstuart

You logged MAF Hz instead of "period" The car uses period (time or frequency)not Hz so I don't know if I can determine if the MAF is correct for the JLT tube size.

This is what I want to know, did they also jack the MAF curve to get the 10% or are they just lazy.

 

[Wengerd Performance]

Don't be sorry. I don't have any beef with Wengerd, this isn't a thing I am doing to ruin his reputation just to ruin it. Post all the evidence you have. If Wengerd didn't do anything wrong and Lund is lying to me then I would rather know. I am just stating things as I know it.

Also just to re-iterate I did have shifting issues with the Wengerd tune that Lund did fix.

The pictures show my many attempts at making a band-aid fix for the JLT to make sure that the tiny leak I found wasn't messing with the trims. Never did it make a difference. These were all while being tuned my wengerd.

And yes as I've stated the JLT had a small leak which I played with. It only leaked when pushed very hard to the side. So I taped it up, used rtv sealant, and held it straight with my finger. Never did it change the fuel trims. My temporary fixes didn't last long and over time the JLT seal started ripping (wasn't torn when originally talking with Wenger). So I bought a new connector and changed the breather hose to just a plain hose so that it didn't put any pressure. Even after this permanent fix I don't think my trims got any better as shown in my old messages to Lund I sent you in DMs.

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You might want to specify they tuned a whole different setup then what is was dealing with. The same setup I had tuned was not tuned by another tuner. You had a whole new setup when it was retuned.

A JLT intake is one of the easiest things to tune out there. Nearly anyone can calibrate the maf but I can't be a remote mechanic. If you couldn't install or fix the intake (vac leak or whatever it was) a tune can not fix that.

We even sent a stock file with just the maf updated and still had the same issue just to rule out any tune related issues.

Somehow all the other JLTs we are tuning do not have any issue

 

[tdstuart]

You might want to specify they tuned a whole different setup then what is was dealing with. The same setup I had tuned was not tuned by another tuner. You had a whole new setup when it was retuned.

A JLT intake is one of the easiest things to tune out there. Nearly anyone can calibrate the maf but I can't be a remote mechanic. If you couldn't install or fix the intake (vac leak or whatever it was) a tune can not fix that.

We even sent a stock file with just the maf updated and still had the same issue just to rule out any tune related issues.

Somehow all the other JLTs we are tuning do not have any issue

I had cams and a gen 3 shortblock with Lund.

But I highly doubt that was the issue as JLT had issues but stock air box didn’t.

Also did you ever figure out the shifting issue? I would send you the Lund tunes so you have the solution but I don’t think you can read them.

 

[tdstuart]

@tdstuart

You logged MAF Hz instead of "period" The car uses period (time or frequency)not Hz so I don't know if I can determine if the MAF is correct for the JLT tube size.

This is what I want to know, did they also jack the MAF curve to get the 10% or are they just lazy.

I can add things to the logs but that’s the parameters that Lund has set by default.

Unfortunately I can’t relog because the car is down

 

[ZXMustang]

I can add things to the logs but that’s the parameters that Lund has set by default.

Unfortunately I can’t relog because the car is down

Not trying to be a dick but you never answered my q about why you put a screen post maf on the TB? I can see doing it to smooth out pre-metered air, but all the way at the TB itself isnt going to do anything. Might even interfere with the TB blade. What was the rationale behind that?

 

[tdstuart]

Not trying to be a dick but you never answered my q about why you put a screen post maf on the TB? I can see doing it to smooth out pre-metered air, but all the way at the TB itself isnt going to do anything. Might even interfere with the TB blade. What was the rationale behind that?

The rational was nothing was working so I’ll just try it. I wasn’t holding out hope for it to work.

 

[ZXMustang]

The rational was nothing was working so I’ll just try it. I wasn’t holding out hope for it to work.

I've been there as well, with my 21 Hellcat charger. We did all kinds of things to the tune and mechanically to try and get that car to run right. Turns out it was just a fucking lemon. Sold it and moved on. Shame too, I special ordered that car and so was excited to get a brand new hellcat and had all kinds of plans on running 9s with a sedan with baby seats in the back and all.

Anyway, no hard feelings here just people are too quick to blame eachother in situations like this when on the surface it feels like it was just a mechanical issue. Wengerd is a fantastic tuner and overall decent person I've found, and Lund is a bitch of a human whos fame should have ran out a decade ago. Sure back in 2003/4 he was the Ford tuning man, but now hes just a dick who sends out garbage canned tunes and yet still gets the word of mouth from 15 years ago good work. Not sure why...

 

[tdstuart]

I've been there as well, with my 21 Hellcat charger. We did all kinds of things to the tune and mechanically to try and get that car to run right. Turns out it was just a fucking lemon. Sold it and moved on. Shame too, I special ordered that car and so was excited to get a brand new hellcat and had all kinds of plans on running 9s with a sedan with baby seats in the back and all.

Anyway, no hard feelings here just people are too quick to blame eachother in situations like this when on the surface it feels like it was just a mechanical issue. Wengerd is a fantastic tuner and overall decent person I've found, and Lund is a bitch of a human whos fame should have ran out a decade ago. Sure back in 2003/4 he was the Ford tuning man, but now hes just a dick who sends out garbage canned tunes and yet still gets the word of mouth from 10 years ago good work. Not sure why...

I’m not super happy with Lund either, but my engine clearly has something mechanically wrong this time which could be the reason why I felt like the car wasn’t making the expected power.

I don’t hate Wengerd. I am probably one of the only people who didn’t have a great experience with him. I am just pointing out my issues with my JLT tune and trans tuning. It could totally be that my JLT has some defect I can’t find that is causing bad maf readings or maybe my pressure test wasn’t enough pressure to see the leak.

 

[ZXMustang]

I’m not super happy with Lund either, but my engine clearly has something mechanically wrong this time which could be the reason why I felt like the car wasn’t making the expected power.

I don’t hate Wengerd. I am probably one of the only people who didn’t have a great experience with him. I am just pointing out my issues with my JLT tune and trans tuning. It could totally be that my JLT has some defect I can’t find that is causing bad maf readings or maybe my pressure test wasn’t enough pressure to see the leak.

Yeah and on the flip side I signed up with Derel like two months ago. He had my JLT/Full E, LTH na car dialed in with like 3 revisions. We have tried a few other things since, but since day one the JLT was on there and his trans settings have been MONEY. My car rips on the street and Im going to the track to try for low 11s here tomorrow night.

 

[Bonedizzle]

JLT sucks, nothing new. Ortiz has been nothing but great for me. Used a couple others as well but Ortiz has suited me best. Don't know much about Wengerd but honestly if a tuner is even slightly popular in the community, you're very likely going to have a solid experience. If you have nothing but problems, well with 1 tuner ok maybe it's the tuner. If it's more than 1 it's likely a customer issue lol

Did it take 5 days or more to get responses back when he tuned you? Because that is how long any sort of reply is taking for me. I was running an SCT device. I am going to switch to the RTD+, which I bought from their website. I purchased that from Ortiz last Thursday, emailed them with the order number, and told them I would need a tune for the RTD+ instead of SCT. The device is supposed to arrive tomorrow at my house, and I still have no tune to load.

Now, I am not sure if they need the serial number or something from the RTD when it arrives, but since I have not received any communication from them how would I know?

I sent them a log of my car running rich and then dying. That was last Wednesday. Then I sent them the email about my SCT bricking and switching to the RTD+ on Thursday. The sentence below is literally all I have been sent since that time, and this was on Monday at 1:30pm.

" Bad luck my man. As for the tune, it looks like it was running on the rich side. Easily fixable but I do want to confirm that these are the 1050x injectors correct? "

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