Voodoo Theory

[on d bit]

Sorry, I know very little about the car but I know enough to know that you are way off.

In what way?

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[Pablo GT350]

We know the coyote can not go above 5.2L and we know the GT350 will not be forced induction. Where you get your information I have no idea.

 

[on d bit]

No information. Is Ford using the coyote? Everyone thought so for the 13.

 

[jjw]

No information. Is Ford using the coyote? Everyone thought so for the 13.

That is the first time I heard that.

 

[on d bit]

That is the first time I heard that.

http://jalopnik.com/5371271/next-gen-shelby-gt500-to-get-500%2B-hp-road-runner-v8
http://www.motorcitymusclecars.com/...lby-mustang-gt500-twin-turbo-or-supercharger/

In recent months, rumors have been rampant that the next generation of Ford's Shelby GT500 Mustang would dump the existing 5.4-liter supercharged V8 in favor of a twin-turbo version of the new 5.0-liter Coyote V8 that debuts this spring.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/08/ford-v8-boss-says-no-twin-turbo-5-0l-for-shelby-gt500/
http://www.egmcartech.com/2009/09/3...o-get-twin-turbo-5-0l-v8-road-runner-in-2012/
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151847
http://social.ford.com/your-ideas/technologies/performance/dsg-and-twin-turbo-5-0-in-12-cobra/
http://www.caradvice.com.au/122517/2013-ford-shelby-gt500-spied-with-twin-turbo/

 

[jjw]

Huh, I barely remember that now. I guess I never took it seriously. It hardly looks like "everyone" expected it though, and I certainly didn't hear it from anyone I would consider reliable.
Half of those look more like wishes then actual rumors.

 

[Pablo GT350]

http://jalopnik.com/5371271/next-gen-shelby-gt500-to-get-500%2B-hp-road-runner-v8
http://www.motorcitymusclecars.com/...lby-mustang-gt500-twin-turbo-or-supercharger/

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/08/ford-v8-boss-says-no-twin-turbo-5-0l-for-shelby-gt500/
http://www.egmcartech.com/2009/09/3...o-get-twin-turbo-5-0l-v8-road-runner-in-2012/
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151847
http://social.ford.com/your-ideas/technologies/performance/dsg-and-twin-turbo-5-0-in-12-cobra/
http://www.caradvice.com.au/122517/2013-ford-shelby-gt500-spied-with-twin-turbo/

Did you even bother to look how old those story's are? I swear you must be in hi-scrool or living in ur mothers basement.:headbonk:

 

[Trackaholic]

And Car and Driver must be the craziest of all, because in the new issue 25 cars worth waiting for they are still saying flat plane crank voodoo producing 550hp starting at $50,000.

Car and driver is crazy if they are still talking flat plane crank making 550 hp. IMO of course.

-T

 

[Pablo GT350]

Yea I am not expecting FPC GT350 either.
My prediction is if they ever do another GT500 it will be a twin turbo ecoboost 5.0

 

[w3rkn]

In what way?

The fact that you live in California... and keep coming up with ideas that are based on old timelines, or personal hopes.


Go to a few Auto shows, talk to a few engineers and know the Mustang culture. Then, know about engines, what they are capable of and the technologies that drive them, THEN...

You can start to speculate about the finer points. But when you offer ideas based on nothing, we tend to see its source. While other are in the know and drop subtle hints, that steer the truth. Obviously speculation is fun, but it must have some reality wrapped around it.


Now..
Ford has not even bothered with DFI technology yet, so you do not need a supercharger, or a turbo to get efficiency (or more horsepower). Just better engine management and control, will yield more HP per liter, etc.

After DFI, then we will start to see smaller engines w/forced induction while still maintaining the same output. Just with a smaller engine and more efficiency.

Why do you keep saying "mass produced" or "will cost $50k for an engine", "durability/reliability", etc..? The underlying technologies that propel your exact arguments/suggestions are not voodoo, efficiency is a well known science.

 

[on d bit]

It's cool. I could be completely wrong. No big deal, Ford did create the most powerful v8 ever for production.

No it's not a TTv8 and it will outperform the 13/14 svt mustang.

Just stating the kind of statistics being thrown around are not easy to come by in real world environments meant to stay within regulations and budgets. Yes we have seen this tech before but in every scenario it was in a $100k+ application which the mustang is not.

 

[Haz]

It's cool. I could be completely wrong. No big deal, Ford did create the most powerful v8 ever for production.

No it's not a TTv8 and it will outperform the 13/14 svt mustang.

Just stating the kind of statistics being thrown around are not easy to come by in real world environments meant to stay within regulations and budgets. Yes we have seen this tech before but in every scenario it was in a $100k+ application which the mustang is not.

Have you thought about other cars Ford could possibly bring out later like a modernized GT40 which could have a TT version of the Voodoo engine to make it financially benificial to create this motor, who knows? Look at the positives bloke! Ford already have in the last decade or so been doing quad cams and stepping out of their comfort zone so why else not a FPC engine? They seem to be heading in the right direction

 

[Michael]

Car and driver is crazy if they are still talking flat plane crank making 550 hp. IMO of course.

-T

I hope Car and Driver is crazy. The last thing I want is an out of balance American V8 that sounds like a 4 cylinder.

GM did a bunch of engineering tests in the late 60's experimenting with 180 degree exhaust headers. The performance improvement was zilch. Scavenging improvements didn't materialize, neither on the dyno or track. A flat crank has less rotating mass, but I don't see aluminum flywheels being used in street cars, because too little rotating mass makes the car hard to drive on the street, and again, you get more vibration from power pulses. In fact, GM uses dual mass flywheels now (don't know about Ford).

Michael

 

[Grimace427]

I hope Car and Driver is crazy. The last thing I want is an out of balance American V8 that sounds like a 4 cylinder.

GM did a bunch of engineering tests in the late 60's experimenting with 180 degree exhaust headers. The performance improvement was zilch. Scavenging improvements didn't materialize, neither on the dyno or track. A flat crank has less rotating mass, but I don't see aluminum flywheels being used in street cars, because too little rotating mass makes the car hard to drive on the street, and again, you get more vibration from power pulses. In fact, GM uses dual mass flywheels now (don't know about Ford).

Michael

This is neither out of balance nor sounding like a 4-cylinder.

621hp @ 9,000rpm from 358ci.

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[Michael]

This is neither out of balance nor sounding like a 4-cylinder.

621hp @ 9,000rpm from 358ci.

Not true. Flat crank engines have a secondary dynamic imbalance.

Sound is subjective, of course, but flat crank V8 engines run as two four cylinder engines with even firing on each bank, hence, my comment about it sounding like a four cylinder.

Michael

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