Replaced Voodoo Engine

unknown internal failure, oil consumption, blown block, damaged valve train etc.


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Just an FYI to major component replacements covered under 3/36 and 5/60 warranty.

Usually the criteria for replacing a major component such as an engine is based on cost to replace. Meaning if the cost to repair is within $X, the repair will be made of course providing the repair is possible (ie: block not ventilated).

IIRC, for engine replacement at a Ford Franchise the threshold is $2,500.00; meaning if the diagnosis was that X needed to be done to fix the engine problem, which would be R&R (cost of parts, fluids, labor, etc.) and that repair would exceed $2,500.00, then it qualifies for a replacement.

Everything comes down to cost and efficiency. The Ford Franchise isn’t going to tie up bays for weeks at a time due to extensive repairs; that’s time and money lost. Their goal isn’t only to fix the problem and satisfy the customer, but to get the vehicle in/out in a timely manner (when possible and dependent on available parts or assemblies) to keep turning daily profit.

So there’s protocols called out in internal docs that outlines cost of repair vs cost of replacement.

Even though there is an outlined threshold, there are still steps and processes that need to go through approvals after the initial diagnosis.

Not every engine issue requires a replacement - but if the tally of labor and parts exceeds that threshold - a replacement is authorized.

This not only applies to engines, but major components such as the transmission and rear differential. If it cost less to pull & replace entire assembly, rather than sourcing multiple components, putzing around for hours or weeks, that is an option based on the documented threshold and approvals.

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I'm not sure that's entirely the case with the Voodoo's because they were not allowing the dealers to even open them up (with only a few random exceptions, which were probably techs just diving in without approval). I think in the case of the Voodoos, there was more at play than dollars and cents. I think factors like that the engine is totally unique and a bit of a flag ship display of engineering for Ford, and that they are hand built, all leads them to want to keep a lid on any potential problems that could be the result of flawed design. Other than that, your statement above makes total sense (although, $2,500 seems pretty low a threshold to me, but what do I know, I sell insurance for a living ;-) )
 

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Yes, the Voodoo engine does not follow that train of repair thought process in any manner.
 

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Just an FYI to major component replacements covered under 3/36 and 5/60 warranty.

Usually the criteria for replacing a major component such as an engine is based on cost to replace. Meaning if the cost to repair is within $X, the repair will be made of course providing the repair is possible (ie: block not ventilated).

IIRC, for engine replacement at a Ford Franchise the threshold is $2,500.00; meaning if the diagnosis was that X needed to be done to fix the engine problem, which would be R&R (cost of parts, fluids, labor, etc.) and that repair would exceed $2,500.00, then it qualifies for a replacement.

Everything comes down to cost and efficiency. The Ford Franchise isn’t going to tie up bays for weeks at a time due to extensive repairs; that’s time and money lost. Their goal isn’t only to fix the problem and satisfy the customer, but to get the vehicle in/out in a timely manner (when possible and dependent on available parts or assemblies) to keep turning daily profit.

So there’s protocols called out in internal docs that outlines cost of repair vs cost of replacement.

Even though there is an outlined threshold, there are still steps and processes that need to go through approvals after the initial diagnosis.

Not every engine issue requires a replacement - but if the tally of labor and parts exceeds that threshold - a replacement is authorized.

This not only applies to engines, but major components such as the transmission and rear differential. If it cost less to pull & replace entire assembly, rather than sourcing multiple components, putzing around for hours or weeks, that is an option based on the documented threshold and approvals.

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I suspect part of the equation (maybe baked into what you mention) is likelihood an average dealer gets it right the first time. My new '89 had a trans problem. Sometimes would not go into gear (thankfully easily duplicated). In an attempt to provide clues I mentioned the shifter did not return to center when released and not in gear. Should have known that was a shiny distraction and they waxed lengthy about how that was normal. After getting them to forget about that, they rebuilt the trans. It was even worse then. So they rebuilt it again. Hard to say if it was worse because it had different problems this time. Then Ford shipped them a new trans to install and it worked perfectly. Except................... the shifter returned to center when released. So, I jerked them around for a day with their written statement that they weren't supposed to do that. LoL
 

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I suspect part of the equation (maybe baked into what you mention) is likelihood an average dealer gets it right the first time. My new '89 had a trans problem. Sometimes would not go into gear (thankfully easily duplicated). In an attempt to provide clues I mentioned the shifter did not return to center when released and not in gear. Should have known that was a shiny distraction and they waxed lengthy about how that was normal. After getting them to forget about that, they rebuilt the trans. It was even worse then. So they rebuilt it again. LoL
that’s how I feel. If they just replace the valve system, I’m done. A patient of mine hit my 13 s4 in the parking lot. It spent 11 months getting repaired and there were countless issues with it. I found new problems every other day. Just got rid of it. Ugh.
 

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Question, when will the MY20 GT500 block be for sure the block used for warrenty replacement? Car is burning oil fairly bad again but would hold out for the Godzilla block for sure. This car has been a roller coaster of emotion but is too damn fun to drive. Especially with the MGW shifter (most recent upgrade). Highly recommend btw.
 

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All 19 motors share the new block and other goodies. When my 18 got a new motor it’s a 19 version.
 

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Question, when will the MY20 GT500 block be for sure the block used for warrenty replacement? Car is burning oil fairly bad again but would hold out for the Godzilla block for sure. This car has been a roller coaster of emotion but is too damn fun to drive. Especially with the MGW shifter (most recent upgrade). Highly recommend btw.
apparently all new motors are 19R versions. I’ll let you know when they finally put my motor in. This EcoBoost loaner F150 hauls ass.
 

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Question, when will the MY20 GT500 block be for sure the block used for warrenty replacement? Car is burning oil fairly bad again but would hold out for the Godzilla block for sure. This car has been a roller coaster of emotion but is too damn fun to drive. Especially with the MGW shifter (most recent upgrade). Highly recommend btw.
I can definitely attest to that. Many of my friends consider me extremely patient for dealing with all the issues I've dealt with (way beyond excessive), but it's definitely hard to part ways with the car. But there's always a last straw, and unfortunately I think I've hit that point for mine.

apparently all new motors are 19R versions. I’ll let you know when they finally put my motor in. This EcoBoost loaner F150 hauls ass.
Lucky!! I've been driving around in a rental for almost exactly a month now. Such a POS. Two weeks ago it was a Nissan Rogue, and since I've gone and returned to/from a business trip, I'm in a Toyota Corolla now. Paying out of pocket of course until attorney/Ford situation gets resolved.
 

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I can definitely attest to that. Many of my friends consider me extremely patient for dealing with all the issues I've dealt with (way beyond excessive), but it's definitely hard to part ways with the car. But there's always a last straw, and unfortunately I think I've hit that point for mine.



Lucky!! I've been driving around in a rental for almost exactly a month now. Such a POS. Two weeks ago it was a Nissan Rogue, and since I've gone and returned to/from a business trip, I'm in a Toyota Corolla now. Paying out of pocket of course until attorney/Ford situation gets resolved.
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Ford wants the dealer to tear down the motor and send pictures of three sections of the motor? :facepalm:
 

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Ford wants the dealer to tear down the motor and send pictures of three sections of the motor? :facepalm:
Well thats a change. Ford in the past wouldn't let the dealerships go inside the motors at all with the Voodoo. All a big secret of why these motors break down.
 

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I just want my car back. I’m watching videos like a child dreaming about a car I own
 

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Maybe it means the problem(s) with these engines is something fixable at the dealer level. That strikes me as a good thing. Also, if dealers are able to open the engine up, word will get out as to the problems
 

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Maybe it means the problem(s) with these engines is something fixable at the dealer level. That strikes me as a good thing. Also, if dealers are able to open the engine up, word will get out as to the problems
Dealer seems to think it’s pointless and just to make sure I haven’t done ANY mods
 
 
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