Replaced Voodoo Engine

unknown internal failure, oil consumption, blown block, damaged valve train etc.


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I assume you are asking where to get your engine repaired or replaced after your warranty runs out? I am sure there are lots of options but if I was forced to foot the bill on my engine, MMR Engines would be at the top of my list.
 

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Yea, once these start needing repairs when out of warranty, that's when we'll know what's going on. And if there are specific weak points in the engine, the aftermarket will certainly step up with solutions, probably available on a preventive basis. Just google PORSCHE IMS bearing.

If engines are consuming oil due to poorly sealing valves, for example, that's not a cost-prohibitive repair. New piston rings is a different story.
 

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I assume you are asking where to get your engine repaired or replaced after your warranty runs out? I am sure there are lots of options but if I was forced to foot the bill on my engine, MMR Engines would be at the top of my list.
Yes, exactly. I sent you a PM
 

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Well, to my surprise, the dealership was completely OK with the tune and didn't believe it had anything to do with the engine failure. However, the Ford inspector came in and immediately just blamed the mods. According to the dealership, their statement was just simply along the lines of "We're not getting involved due to the modifications" , so it doesn't even sound like they investigated what exactly caused it. I have an extensive repair history (probably more than anyone in this forum) so I'm curious to see how this goes. I believe there's one more pending review on Ford's end.

What's confusing to me is why they would go through all of this if they will just blame aftermarket exhaust and a tune (to clear the CEL from no cats, nothing more or less).

Will keep you guys posted.
A member by the name of @Ninjak may shed some light on the subject for you. I fully expected the scenario that happened with you, with regard to Ford's response, to happen to Ninjak's full exhaust and tuned 350 when he windowed the block. But to my surprise he got a new motor under warranty.
 

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A member by the name of @Ninjak may shed some light on the subject for you. I fully expected the scenario that happened with you, with regard to Ford's response, to happen to Ninjak's full exhaust and tuned 350 when he windowed the block. But to my surprise he got a new motor under warranty.
That's very interesting. I'm going to DM him and get some more details. They replaced the transmission under warranty and everything else, but I guess it was maybe much harder for them to prove that the tune/exhaust caused any of those issues.
 

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Is Ford Customer Care the last customer-facing number to expedite issues with Ford? They've gone cold on me now and haven't responded to any emails or VMs for the last 4 days. Since my assigned rep has not responded to my VM or email, I've included two other reps that I've worked in the past and literally no one has responded. Meanwhile it's going on four weeks of paying out of pocket for the rental car and my car note, while my car is sitting on the lot at Ford.

Seems like I just have to continue pursuing a lawyer.
 

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Is Ford Customer Care the last customer-facing number to expedite issues with Ford? They've gone cold on me now and haven't responded to any emails or VMs for the last 4 days. Since my assigned rep has not responded to my VM or email, I've included two other reps that I've worked in the past and literally no one has responded. Meanwhile it's going on four weeks of paying out of pocket for the rental car and my car note, while my car is sitting on the lot at Ford.

Seems like I just have to continue pursuing a lawyer.
That’s probably your best bet. I’ll probably never modify the bitch because of the issues encountered with warranty work. I don’t have $34k to waste while Ford points fingers.
 

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Over the past 3 months I've done 4 oil consumption tests thru my local Ford dealer. Each 500-mile test resulted in excessive oil consumption (1 quart per 100 miles). Dealer is telling me it will take them another 1-2 weeks to get approval from Ford for new motor, and then another month to schedule the install, and THEN about a week to complete the work. Does this sound like the normal warranty process?
 

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Well, I'm starting to have some hope. I just ran across at least 4 people today on here and the FB group that had replaced engines with exhaust + tune. One guy had a whipple and still had his engine replaced under warranty. So, we'll see how things go next week. I'm not sure if it's just my luck with a shitty dealership, or if it's really the Ford inspector that's having the final say on all of this.
 

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Ok so now the finally saw oil on a plug while passing a compression test. So now they don’t know if they should replace the valve train or the whole engine. Fingers crossed. Ford must be tired of replacing these long blocks.
 

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Ok so now the finally saw oil on a plug while passing a compression test. So now they don’t know if they should replace the valve train or the whole engine. Fingers crossed. Ford must be tired of replacing these long blocks.
I don't think they allow engine work at the dealership, they just pull the motor and swap the entire thing as if it were a computer module. Plug and play. lol
 

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Ok so now the finally saw oil on a plug while passing a compression test. So now they don’t know if they should replace the valve train or the whole engine. Fingers crossed. Ford must be tired of replacing these long blocks.
I thought as a rule they don't service components on Voodoo motors <shrug>

Edit - hadn't hit update (what Adam said).
 

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Ok so now the finally saw oil on a plug while passing a compression test. So now they don’t know if they should replace the valve train or the whole engine. Fingers crossed. Ford must be tired of replacing these long blocks.
I know right? Smh! Will be waiting to hear what goes on with yours man. Consulted a lawyer now that Ford is ignoring me and getting the wheels going in this direction.
 

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I don't think they allow engine work at the dealership, they just pull the motor and swap the entire thing as if it were a computer module. Plug and play. lol
i thought the same thing, but apparently they are changing the flow for meeting the criteria for an engine replacement. I’ve heard everything from valve train, possibly short block, and finally long block. Of course when I finally get them to be sensible about my oil consumption issues a year later, now they want to complicate the process. If only my valve system is replaced, I’ll probably move on from this car. I really like it... even though they say there’s no scoring on the walls, it rattles like dishes in a clothes washer when it’s cold (<200), and I can’t get it over 180 degrees for 3-4 months a year without driving like stole it. I’m tired of the run around. Give me a new engine or another car.
 

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Just an FYI to major component replacements covered under 3/36 and 5/60 warranty.

Usually the criteria for replacing a major component such as an engine is based on cost to replace. Meaning if the cost to repair is within $X, the repair will be made of course providing the repair is possible (ie: block not ventilated).

IIRC, for engine replacement at a Ford Franchise the threshold is $2,500.00; meaning if the diagnosis was that X needed to be done to fix the engine problem, which would be R&R (cost of parts, fluids, labor, etc.) and that repair would exceed $2,500.00, then it qualifies for a replacement.

Everything comes down to cost and efficiency. The Ford Franchise isn’t going to tie up bays for weeks at a time due to extensive repairs; that’s time and money lost. Their goal isn’t only to fix the problem and satisfy the customer, but to get the vehicle in/out in a timely manner (when possible and dependent on available parts or assemblies) to keep turning daily profit.

So there’s protocols called out in internal docs that outlines cost of repair vs cost of replacement.

Even though there is an outlined threshold, there are still steps and processes that need to go through approvals after the initial diagnosis.

Not every engine issue requires a replacement - but if the tally of labor and parts exceeds that threshold - a replacement is authorized.

This not only applies to engines, but major components such as the transmission and rear differential. If it cost less to pull & replace entire assembly, rather than sourcing multiple components, putzing around for hours or weeks, that is an option based on the documented threshold and approvals.

:wink:
 
 
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