Rear Toe Links Question

[kz]

My understanding is that the Mach 1 comes standard with adjustable rear toe links. My question is what's the difference between the stock Mach 1 rear adjustable toe links and after-market options like Steeda or BMR? Are the after-market toe links easier to adjust, etc? Thanks

Just to clarify a bit - all cars basically come with adjustable toe links or some toe adjustability - they have to be periodically aligned after all.

I would not sweat replacing toe links as 99% of users won't notice a difference - replacing toe link bushing in the control arm with spherical bearing (not sure if Mach has it from the factory - might) is something I'd do before even bothering with the links.

Btw - those Cortex pieces sure are pretty.

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[80FoxCoupe]

Oh okay. Looking at your hardware in the pic it looked like brackets minus the bar to tie thr two rear shocks together like a strut tower brace. Here’s BMR’s version of that.

http://m.bmrsuspension.com/?page=products&productid=2341

Those brackets are for the lower eyelet of the shocks.

 

[NGOT8R]

Those brackets are for the lower eyelet of the shocks.

I gotcha .

 

[RobZ71LM7]

Just to clarify a bit - all cars basically come with adjustable toe links or some toe adjustability - they have to be periodically aligned after all.

I would not sweat replacing toe links as 99% of users won't notice a difference - replacing toe link bushing in the control arm with spherical bearing (not sure if Mach has it from the factory - might) is something I'd do before even bothering with the links.

Btw - those Cortex pieces sure are pretty.

Sadly the Mach 1 comes with the standard bushing. I was under the impression it had the bearing. I installed Cortex links and was depressed to see it's a big soft ole' bushing. In my opinion the adjustable links offer no advantage other than ease and maintenance of toe setting unless you also replace the bushing. I have the Ford Performance bearings ready to be installed in the off-season. There's also a claim that the toe links on the Mach 1 are upgraded to a GT350/500 piece by many, mine are the same as all the GT ones.

 

[WD Pro]

Sadly the Mach 1 comes with the standard bushing. I was under the impression it had the bearing. I installed Cortex links and was depressed to see it's a big soft ole' bushing. In my opinion the adjustable links offer no advantage other than ease and maintenance of toe setting unless you also replace the bushing. I have the Ford Performance bearings ready to be installed in the off-season. There's also a claim that the toe links on the Mach 1 are upgraded to a GT350/500 piece by many, mine are the same as all the GT ones.

That’s unfortunate if true in all cases

Did Ford ever publish anything official with regards to those items ?

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[Izs1991]

I’ve never experiencing the toe settings slipping in the rear of the factory toe links even on r comps. Is this really a thing? There is a ton of adjustment on the factory toe eccentrics and they’re much easier to access than the factory rear camber settings lol.

 

[kz]

I’ve never experiencing the toe settings slipping in the rear of the factory toe links even on r comps. Is this really a thing? There is a ton of adjustment on the factory toe eccentrics and they’re much easier to access than the factory rear camber settings lol.

No, it's not really a thing - aftermarket parts companies invented it to sell parts mostly - they use my favorite term "improved performance" which means just about nothing. It's a link - rubber bushings have much more compliance than one would ever feel from increased stiffness of the toe link - if it's even loaded at all...

 

[Izs1991]

No, it's not really a thing - aftermarket parts companies invented it to sell parts mostly - they use my favorite term "improved performance" which means just about nothing. It's a link - rubber bushings have much more compliance than one would ever feel from increased stiffness of the toe link - if it's even loaded at all...

Yeah that’s what I thought. I’ve put an immense amount of load on the rear of the car and never got any appreciable toe change back there even after events at WGI.
I can, however see the market for the threaded camber arms but have heard so many horror stories about them snapping off with pics to back it up it always kept me away.

 

[Charlemagne]

Did Ford ever publish anything official with regards to those items ?

"a rear subframe with stiffer bushings and a rear toe-link from Shelby GT500"
https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/products/icons/mustang/2021-mustang.html

 

[WD Pro]

"a rear subframe with stiffer bushings and a rear toe-link from Shelby GT500"
https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/products/icons/mustang/2021-mustang.html

@RobZ71LM7 needs to be talking to his dealer then - unless it’s a play on words and toe links are common across the range ?

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[Charlemagne]

Who knows... But that's straight from Ford's press release. Worth asking Ford Performance for truth, I guess.

 

[RobZ71LM7]

@RobZ71LM7 needs to be talking to his dealer then - unless it’s a play on words and toe links are common across the range ?

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The ones I’ve seen are no different than the Performance Pack ones shown in the attached. The chassis side is a spherical bearing and knuckle side is still a large soft bushing. Aftermarket toe links won’t gain any stiffness or lessen deflection unless you replace the bushing with the FP knuckle to toe link bearing which the Mach 1’s do not have. Perhaps the Mach 1 has a stiffer knuckle bushing but it’s still soft as can be :-).

 

[RobZ71LM7]

Who knows... But that's straight from Ford's press release. Worth asking Ford Performance for truth, I guess.

There might be a geometry difference in the GT500 rear subframe that changes something dimension wise on the toe link that connects to it, but functionally no difference: one end is a bearing and the other end bolts to a soft bushing in the knuckle.

Meaning it looks and functions like a regular PP toe link but is a different length/part. In which case I’m wrong, but functionally they’re the same.

 

[RobZ71LM7]

Here’s some pics I have when swapping the handling package last summer.

 

[Oakley]

dude those cortex things look dope as hell. is the threaded portion of the assembly smaller than the steeda unit?

also, putting these in but keeping that stock rubber toe bushing isn't doing you any favors. you're better off keeping the stock unit and doing the bushing than vice versa.

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