Quicker throttle response

[beefcake]

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24924

there is the big thread

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[Chris@Lethal]

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[Sawman70]

Thumbs up to distorted and incorrect information? Good for you :cheers:

Explanation please.

 

[daltron]

Explanation please.

Danielle (whom I respect on here, just fundamentally disagree with her agreeing that Gibbo was correct) quoted Gibbo. Gibbo said:

It is just an amplifier of the throttle signal, the pedal max / sprint booster does not change the throttle table or the ECU tune in any way.

All it is doing is changing requested throttle percentage for amount of pedal travel due to it amplifying the signal.

In short pushing the pedal more has the same effect, what the car delivers is still completely down to the ECU as the pedal max is not bypassing the ECU in anyway, if it did then it would actually be very bad for the running of the car.

This was my response: http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1447495&postcount=29

To be more specific than my first response, I especially take issue with this:

It is just an amplifier of the throttle signal, the pedal max / sprint booster does not change the throttle table or the ECU tune in any way.

In short pushing the pedal more has the same effect...

In short, his first sentence is true. The PedalMAX does NOT change the ECU in any way. However, the way he said it is misleading, since while it does not directly change the throttle tables in the ECU, it does their purpose because of the amplified signal by tricking the tables.

He also said "pushing the pedal more has the same effect" which is completely untrue. It does not matter how quickly you press the pedal nor how fast you push it to the desired location, the throttle body will not snap open as quickly as with the PedalMAX. The bottom line is that this is not a performance mod, it is a driveability mod. I think a lot of people get hung up on that.

As simple as can be said, the PedalMAX snaps open the throttle (and in turn you get increased and quicker throttle response) faster than without it. That is the bottom line.

 

[tomnelsonii]

I was skeptical at first, but after reading 8 billion posts on here with 99% of people who have a PedalMax raving about it, I decided to try it. Let me say that $260 is a ridiculous amount for what it is, but it is worth every penny! It makes the car actually feel like it has 435 horsepower. Before the PedalMax, it was a slug!

I would recommend to just give it a try. You could ask Beef or Lethal if they will take a return if you don't like it? Or, you can for sure sell it on this site and probably not loose much more than 50-75 bucks.

:ford:

And yes, I do understand that the PedalMax does nothing to increase horsepower or torque...

 

[CEHollier]

Lund Flex tune with CAI. I did the JLT. The PMAS looks good too. I really noticed a difference in response and low end torque with just the tune and CAI.

 

[4V Mayhem]

I'm no electronics expert. I don't know or care if it is tricking the ECU or lying to the ECU or giving the ECU false readings, or taking the ECU out to dinner, banging it, and then not returning it's phone calls the next day, lol!! I don't know and I don't care. I do know that it doesn't harm the ECU or the electronics or anything like that. And it does exactly what it says it does. I think these things pretty much work great with stock or mildly modified cars. But once you get into heavy modifications then I can see it wreaking havoc. So if you plan to just do a CAI, exhaust, and that's it and you don't wanna void your warranty with a tune, then you'll be fine and you'll LOVE the throttle controllers. If you're gonna do headers and 350 IMs with 87mm TBs and forced induction and such, then I would say skip it.

 

[Gibbo205]

Danielle (whom I respect on here, just fundamentally disagree with her agreeing that Gibbo was correct) quoted Gibbo. Gibbo said:



This was my response: http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1447495&postcount=29

To be more specific than my first response, I especially take issue with this:



In short, his first sentence is true. The PedalMAX does NOT change the ECU in any way. However, the way he said it is misleading, since while it does not directly change the throttle tables in the ECU, it does their purpose because of the amplified signal by tricking the tables.

He also said "pushing the pedal more has the same effect" which is completely untrue. It does not matter how quickly you press the pedal nor how fast you push it to the desired location, the throttle body will not snap open as quickly as with the PedalMAX. The bottom line is that this is not a performance mod, it is a driveability mod. I think a lot of people get hung up on that.

As simple as can be said, the PedalMAX snaps open the throttle (and in turn you get increased and quicker throttle response) faster than without it. That is the bottom line.

Sorry but you are wrong.

The throttle body opens at a given speed depending on throttle position desired.

All the pedal max / sprint booster do are changing the throttle pedal travel.

As an example, this is not actual ECU throttle tables:

No pedal max:
10% throttle = 10% actual
20% throttle = 20% actual
50% throttle = 50% actual
100% throttle = 100% actual

So if you press 100% throttle how quickly the throttlebody opens is controlled by how quickly you depress the pedal, if you ease into it the throttlebody opens slower, if you slam your foot down as fast as possible it will open faster.

With pedal max (again an example, not actual values)
10% throttle = 20% actual
20% throttle = 40% actual
50% throttle = 100% actual
100% throttle = 100% actual


So pedal max does it shortern your throttle travel, this gives the false sense of improved response and faster opening of the throttle body.

Saying it makes the throttle body open faster is absolute complete BS, the device piggy backs your throttle pedal signal so anyone with any brain will realise what it is doing, it is not connected to your throttle body and it is now sending more voltage to the unit.

The sensation of faster throttle body opening simply comes from the fact your throttle pedal has just become far more sensitive as you have effectively reduced how far you have to push it to get to 100% throttle making it far more sensitive.

Some people like this, but I am the person who enjoys driving car and am often on the race track and for ultimate control I need my throttle pedal working as it should which is as close to linear as possible and most importantly smooth.

So let me re-educate throttle body opening speed depends on throttle position and how quickly you pushed the throttle from say 10% to 75%, on a stock car this take more pedal travel which may take some drivers longer to do, whereas on a pedal max car your accelerator pedal travel to gain same throttle is shorter which give the illusion of better response and quicker throttle body opening.

Pedal max does not make your car accelerator faster or make the throttle body open faster, that is all down to your right foot.

 

[4V Mayhem]

OMG who effing cares...the thing works and does what it says it does. Sheesh, does EVERYTHING need a complete scientific breakdown and technical explanation and 15 page debate? The people who bought it love it. Thats all that matters. If you want one, buy one. If you don't like it, send it back or sell it. If you don't want one, don't buy it. If you change your mind, then buy it. If you find that you like it, then keep it. If you find that you don't like it afterall, then send it back or sell it. If you're on the fence, then buy it and see for yourself or don't buy it. Who cares? It doesn't harm anything, it won't blow your engine, it won't cause your car to spontaneously combust, a meteor won't fall from the heavens and crush you for buying one, you won't burn in the pits of Hades for all eternity, it won't take half a second off your ETs, you won't beat a Z06 with one. At best, you'll like it and it'll make your car more fun to drive. At absolute worst, you'll hate it for whatever reason and send it back or sell it. Buy it or don't. Simple as it is. Jesus CHRIST man!!!

 

[Southview]

Well said 4V Mayhem.:clap2: The op asked a simple question. If you haven't had one or used one on your car, please EXIT with your opinion now. Thank you. I have on. Do not want to tune my 2k mile car. Do not have mod friendly dealers in the area. Have 3.15 rear. Want better drive ability. Don't want a CAI. Don't care about what others think. Don't car about your technical data of why you think it is a waste of money. I bought a Pedal Commander not a Pedalmax like everyone else because of the added features. I hate to be like everyone else. To the OP. Buy a throttle enhancer! You are in the same situation I was in. You have probably done the same searches I have done and read the hundreds of different opinions I have read. :doh: I recommend the Pedal Commander. But I don't care what you buy in the end. It will help.:cheers:

 

[tomnelsonii]

I am just curious Gibbo205, do you own a pedalmax or a sprintbooster? If not, have you ever driven a completely STOCK 5.0 before installing a pedalmax or other type device, and then again after one is installed?


Here is a quick video that may help...

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[HISSMAN]

I am just curious Gibbo205, do you own a pedalmax or a sprintbooster? If not, have you ever driven a completely STOCK 5.0 before installing a pedalmax or other type device, and then again after one is installed?


Here is a quick video that may help...

^Uses electronic diagram to show difference using pre-placed LED lights... Must be scientific proof. Also paid by sprint-booster to advertise their product.

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[AZ_Ryan]

:cheers::cheers:Give us a shout at 561-753-8105 for pricing and availability and anyone of our representatives would be glad to assist!

Do these effect your warranty at all?

 

[TheDivaDanielle]

OMG who effing cares...the thing works and does what it says it does. Sheesh, does EVERYTHING need a complete scientific breakdown and technical explanation and 15 page debate? The people who bought it love it. Thats all that matters. If you want one, buy one. If you don't like it, send it back or sell it. If you don't want one, don't buy it. If you change your mind, then buy it. If you find that you like it, then keep it. If you find that you don't like it afterall, then send it back or sell it. If you're on the fence, then buy it and see for yourself or don't buy it. Who cares? It doesn't harm anything, it won't blow your engine, it won't cause your car to spontaneously combust, a meteor won't fall from the heavens and crush you for buying one, you won't burn in the pits of Hades for all eternity, it won't take half a second off your ETs, you won't beat a Z06 with one. At best, you'll like it and it'll make your car more fun to drive. At absolute worst, you'll hate it for whatever reason and send it back or sell it. Buy it or don't. Simple as it is. Jesus CHRIST man!!!

Sucks being smarter than the sheep, doesn't it? Then of course we have The Boost Max which is another spoofing device that reports back less boost and over boosts to compensate, and hopes the fuel trims can at least bring the fuel tables back into check.

So now we have a knife sharp on/off switch for the accelerator pedal and a over boosting turbo that's overheating.

Keep buying this stuff guys, lol. The vendors will gladly chime in and tell you that you need it. Just like throttle body spacers and intake manifold spacers.

 

[tomnelsonii]

TheDivaDanielle, I'll ask you the same question? Have you driven a completely stock 5.0 GT before and after installation of a PedalMax or other such device?

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