Perceived power increase with tune

[KingKona]

Other than the fact that Car and Driver literally tested it on a track with the same driver and it beat the PP2 by nearly 3 seconds...

I don't see that anywhere. And unless it was on the same day, with exactly the same tires, it doesn't count.

The m1 base has wider tires, better suspension, better aero, better cooling, better transmission, and it NOT the same as the PP1.

The base M1 has the same wheels, tires and suspension as a Magneride PP1 car. Aero doesn't mean anything IRL, only cooling could possibly mean something, but only after several laps. Other than that, A base Mach 1 (other than the transmission) is the same as a PP1 car.

Seriously, dude, you don't know what you're talking about. You're living in some fantasy world.

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[CR151S]

It wasn't.

Anyways, the difference is negligible. Tunes are really just turning the throttle response up, there's really not much HP & TQ left in Coyotes to get with a tune, until LTHers are installed.

Tell that to my car and tuner…

 

[KingKona]

Tell that to my car and tuner…

Were the pulls were done on the very same day, with the same tank of gas, and with no other changes?

 

[Jstang23]

I don't see that anywhere. And unless it was on the same day, with exactly the same tires, it doesn't count.



The base M1 has the same wheels, tires and suspension as a Magneride PP1 car. Aero doesn't mean anything IRL, only cooling could possibly mean something, but only after several laps. Other than that, A base Mach 1 (other than the transmission) is the same as a PP1 car.

Seriously, dude, you don't know what you're talking about. You're living in some fantasy world.

Here's a screenshot for you since you can't find it

And if it were within .5 of a second then sure the atmosphere could make the times negligible, but its closer to 3 seconds. Also the lightning lap is regarded as one of the best indicators of true track times. They try to get as close to the same temperatures and conditions each year specifically for that reason.

The PP2 and M1 come with cup 2s. But even if the m1 had better tires they only test them on what comes with the car. SO, is the m1 was faster with its stock tires then the m1 is a faster car!!

You're full of shit, I'm done relying to someone who can't read

Cheers

 

[CR151S]

Were the pulls were done on the very same day, with the same tank of gas, and with no other changes?

Yes on back to back. It did get E85 in the tank but never read over e50 since I came with too much 93. (I’m on a flex tune so e content matters)

 

[KingKona]

Here's a screenshot for you since you can't find it

And if it were within .5 of a second then sure the atmosphere could make the times negligible, but its closer to 3 seconds. Also the lightning lap is regarded as one of the best indicators of true track times. They try to get as close to the same temperatures and conditions each year specifically for that reason.

The PP2 and M1 come with cup 2s. But even if the m1 had better tires they only test them on what comes with the car. SO, is the m1 was faster with its stock tires then the m1 is a faster car!!

You're full of shit, I'm done relying to someone who can't read

Cheers

It's 4 years apart. Totally different tire, track surface and driver situations. That's not even close to being a direct comparison.

The cars (M1 w/handling pack & PP2 car) have virtually identical acceleration, braking and skid-pad numbers, and curb weight. So there will be little to no difference on any track on a single given day and driver.

 

[KingKona]

Yes on back to back. It did get E85 in the tank but never read over e50 since I came with too much 93. (I’m on a flex tune so e content matters)

You didn't get a 50+ HP increase from a tune alone.

 

[CR151S]

You didn't get a 50+ HP increase from a tune alone.

No new mods - Just a flex tune. You said tunes don’t add big increases without LTH, etc. That may be true in some cases, but it is not in mine.

To be fair, there were two mustangs with similar mods (one gen 2 with LTH) and my car outperformed them both.

I think it’s fair that the OP knows that circumstances like mine could exist and flashing back to stock might be a noticeable decrease.

 

[KingKona]

No new mods - Just a flex tune. You said tunes don’t add big increases without LTH, etc. That may be true in some cases, but it is not in mine.

To be fair, there were two mustangs with similar mods (one gen 2 with LTH) and my car outperformed them both.

I think it’s fair that the OP knows that circumstances like mine could exist and flashing back to stock might be a noticeable decrease.

Gas tunes. No one has said a single thing about "flex" or "e85".

And your 50HP increase is dubious at best. They can manipulate the test parameters to show you whatever they want to.

 

[SheepDog]

Man, I wasn't sure how to title this thread...

I had a stock 2020 PP2 and a 2018 PP1 with the 6 speed before that.

So I'm used to the long gears...

I just traded into a used 2022 Mach 1 with the Tremec. The car has an x-pipe and muffler delete. Stock intake tube...I looked inside and did not see the hydrocarbon filter. So it was either removed, or it's a 2021 intake tube.

The previous owner told me he had an aftermarket intake tube on it with a cowl hood and a Lund 93 octane tune.

When I bought the car from the dealer, they had put the original hood and oem intake back on.

I'm trying to gage if the car still has the tune on it---I don't know if the dealer did a reflash or not. I only run 93 octane either way.

The car feels quicker than the PP2...but because of the extra hp and the gearing, I can't tell if the car was flashed back to the stock tune.

Would it be obvious? Like OMG, this car is fucking quick!!!! Or would it be subtle? I haven't driven a pre-18, Shelby, Bullit or Mach prior to this so the gearing is completely new to me.

Sorry if this sounds dumb. I'm trying to gage if 1: The tune is safe with the stock tube, and 2: Should I get it reflashed to stock for warranty purposes? It has 7K miles on it and was originally purchased in October of last year.

a gasoline tune won't make any noticeable difference on a MACH1.

If the car has a tune that was designed for an intake that is larger than the stock diameter, but the car has the OEM tube on it, it should run like shit, or at least have Fuel trims that are way off.

The dealer you bought it from should be able to tell you if they re-flashed the OEM calibration.

 

[CR151S]

Gas tunes. No one has said a single thing about "flex" or "e85".

And your 50HP increase is dubious at best. They can manipulate the test parameters to show you whatever they want to.

Either way, OP would probably feel the difference in a 10-15 HP decrease or a change in the torque curve.

They sure did a good job manipulating me. Guess I’ll just walk around naive and happy

 

[KingKona]

Either way, OP would probably feel the difference in a 10-15 HP decrease or a change in the torque curve.

They sure did a good job manipulating me. Guess I’ll just walk around naive and happy

I do believe that power under the curve is more likely to be what can actually be felt through the butt-dyno. 10-15HP? No.

Your 2 curves demonstrate there was a lot more going on than just a tune. Either that, or it's falsified. That difference is massive. That's gotta be E85 + CAI + shutting off the knock sensors or something.

 

[fast306stang]

I think it’s fair that the OP knows that circumstances like mine could exist and flashing back to stock might be a noticeable decrease.

Exactly my hunch but since the cars are apples to oranges, I needed some help lol

As far as handling, the Mach has the handling package with PS4's on it. The PP2 had brand new General GMAX. Not the same tire, I know, but I was very impressed with the GMAX performance.

I had the BMR lockout on the PP2 and it made world's of difference in the handling.

That being said, I can tell the Mach with it's bone-stock suspension is definitely a better handling car. I was very suprised by that bc on paper, they look equal.

That VIR hot lap--I'm not suprised by the results...

 

[SheepDog]

Exactly my hunch but since the cars are apples to oranges, I needed some help lol

As far as handling, the Mach has the handling package with PS4's on it. The PP2 had brand new General GMAX. Not the same tire, I know, but I was very impressed with the GMAX performance.

I had the BMR lockout on the PP2 and it made world's of difference in the handling.

That being said, I can tell the Mach with it's bone-stock suspension is definitely a better handling car. I was very suprised by that bc on paper, they look equal.

That VIR hot lap--I'm not suprised by the results...

Get yourself an E85 tune for it, provided you have access to the Corn sauce. This will indeed make a noticeable difference

 

[KingKona]

...the Mach has the handling package with PS4's on it.

I thought the M1 with the handling package came with Cup 2s?

I'd bet the previous owner replaced them with the PS4s.

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