Perceived power increase with tune

[fast306stang]

Check with Lund to see if it’s possible to connect any nGauge to the OBDII port to check and see if the car has one of their tunes in it. If that’s doable, make a post on here requesting help from someone, who lives near you, to connect their nGauge to your car and find out.

Thank you. I've been out of the local Mustang scene for a minute but I'm sure I can get in touch with some old acquaintances who have an nGauge...you've given me something to think about.

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[WD Pro]

Where does the rev limiter kick in? If it's 7200, I'd assume it's stock. You won't hurt anything bumping into it....that's what it's there for and it will rev safely to 8 no problem.

This morning was the 1st time I spun it up and I shifted at the 7500 redline.

That's the correct limiter for the stock tune, 7200 is for the older generations so it doesn't mean anything in this instance.

Yes, also some very controversial advice about bumping the limiter ...

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[fast306stang]

It wasn't.

Anyways, the difference is negligible. Tunes are really just turning the throttle response up, there's really not much HP & TQ left in Coyotes to get with a tune, until LTHers are installed.

I did not know this. I remember reading threads about 50whp gains and such. But I guess those were pre-18 tunes. I'm still learning...

 

[Jstang23]

I tried to clear up my post. I guess what I should have said was, I bought the car from a dealer and found the previous owner's information in the glovebox. Wife contacted him on FB to ask some questions, he's been very cool about it. There were some sentimental items in the car so she drove down and met him yesterday to return those items. That's when he told her about the mods...

He had an intake, cowl hood, tune, x-pipe, muffler delete. When I bought the car it was all stock visually, other than the exhaust.

I've read that some aftermarket tubes REQUIRE a tune. I've also heard about all these stories where someone takes their tuned car to a dealer for whatever reason, warranty, oil change, etc and the dealer reflashes the car while it's there.

Since the car has the factory intake on it now, I was wondering if there's a simple way to know if the tune is still there. I wasn't sure if the butt dyno would tell you or not.

The car doesn't lack power anywhere like my PP2 did...So I guess it IS still tuned? The Machs and Bullits basically have the Ford Performance tune on them from the factory right? So it's hard for me to judge.

Put me in a 6M GT and I can tell you all about it. The Mach is a completely new beast to me.

TLDR; I want to know if it's 93 tuned is it still safe with the factory intake? Should I have any warranty concerns? If I put 91 in it will it be ok? Sometimes 93 isn't always available...

It is not hard for a dealership to refresh a cars tune, the Mach 1 will be faster and feel faster than a PP2. The tremec paired with the 3.73 gears and the higher output coyote on them will make it feel pretty damn quick! I am 90% sure you do not have the tune still on the car. Also if a tune was going to cause problems with the stock airbox you wouldn't have a smooth driving car. I.E. check engine lights or poor idling! Cheers

 

[Jstang23]

I did not know this. I remember reading threads about 50whp gains and such. But I guess those were pre-18 tunes. I'm still learning...

The tunes most definitely have more hp but they loose a bit of torque. Its all the accompanying differences that mach the M1 so quick. But if you throw a M1 vs a 6M GT they will be nearly identical, maybe a 1/4 car length for the M1

 

[fast306stang]

Also if a tune was going to cause problems with the stock airbag you wouldn't have a smooth driving car. I.E. check engine lights or poor idling! Cheers

That makes me feel better bc it definitely doesn't have any idle or driveability issues!

 

[Jstang23]

That makes me feel better bc it definitely doesn't have any idle or driveability issues!

You're more than likely fine! You also shouldn't be running anything other than premium in the M1 anyways! Enjoy that car!!

 

[fast306stang]

You're more than likely fine!

I thought so but I wanted the 6G concensus...lol!

 

[KingKona]

I did not know this. I remember reading threads about 50whp gains and such. But I guess those were pre-18 tunes. I'm still learning...

Nope. I'd guess 10HP max from just a tune.

 

[KingKona]

It is not hard for a dealership to refresh a cars tune, the Mach 1 will be faster and feel faster than a PP2. The tremec paired with the 3.73 gears and the higher output coyote on them will make it feel pretty damn quick!

No, a Mach 1 is not faster, nor will it feel faster, than a PP2.

For every HP the Mach 1 gains, it loses in TQ, so no real difference there. I highly doubt one would know which car they were in blindfolded. Or by testing, as the PP2 would be a bit lighter, so 0-60 and 1/4 performance are identical. And in C&Ds testing the PP2's acceleration numbers were actually a bit better than the Mach 1s.

Also.....dealerships don't normally refresh a car's tune.

 

[Jstang23]

For every HP the Mach 1 gains, it loses in TQ, so no real difference there. I highly doubt one would know which car they were in blindfolded. Or by testing, as the PP2 would be a bit lighter, so 0-60 and 1/4 performance are identical.

Also.....dealerships don't normally refresh a car's tune.

The shorter gears on the tremec more than likely account for better performance. After all the m1 is much faster than a PP2 on track. 0-60 should be the same you are correct.

If a dealership is selling a car with a warranty, the will absolutely at least check the ECU on a car. They won't warranty a car without the stock tune. So, if the OP still has a warranty then it is the stock tune. If the dealership was selling a car outside of warranty then they would not change it.

 

[KingKona]

The shorter gears on the tremec more than likely account for better performance. After all the m1 is much faster than a PP2 on track. 0-60 should be the same you are correct.

If a dealership is selling a car with a warranty, the will absolutely at least check the ECU on a car. They won't warranty a car without the stock tune. So, if the OP still has a warranty then it is the stock tune. If the dealership was selling a car outside of warranty then they would not change it.

The OP didn't ask about performance on a track. And no, an M1 is not "much faster than a PP2 on a track", they'd be identical, whether it's a strip or road-course.

You're kidding yourself if you think a dealership "checks the ECU", that's pure fantasy, and warranty has nothing to do with it. They want to put them on the lot and get them sold, while not putting one penny into them.

Have you not read the recent threads about people buying "Gold Certified" used Mustangs with issues? C'mon dude....you're living in a fantasy world. Mustangs are sold with tunes all the time, there's plenty of threads here about that. Dealerships spend absolutely the least amount of money on getting a used car ready for sale, to maximize profits.

 

[Jstang23]

The OP didn't ask about performance on a track. And no, an M1 is not "much faster than a PP2 on a track", they'd be identical, whether it's a strip or road-course.

You're kidding yourself if you think a dealership "checks the ECU", that's pure fantasy, and warranty has nothing to do with it. They want to put them on the lot and get them sold, while not putting one penny into them.

Have you not read the recent threads about people buying "Gold Certified" used Mustangs with issues? C'mon dude....you're living in a fantasy world. Mustangs are sold with tunes all the time, there's plenty of threads here about that. Dealerships spend absolutely the least amount of money on getting a used car ready for sale, to maximize profits.

Ok bud! You obviously know more than me

Here's a link to the lightning lap that shows just how fast an M1 is on track. I'd be interested to see what proof you have that says the pp2 is as fast as the M1

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a23319884/lightning-lap-times-historical-data/

 

[KingKona]

Ok bud! You obviously know more than me

Here's a link to the lightning lap that shows just how fast an M1 is on track. I'd be interested to see what proof you have that says the pp2 is as fast as the M1

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a23319884/lightning-lap-times-historical-data/

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a36030144/2021-ford-mustang-mach-1-drive/

I can't imgaine why you would think an M1 would be faster than a PP2. Other than not knowing what a PP2 is.

Basically, other than the transmission, they're the same car. And the PP2 is lighter.

And with the base Mach 1 (without the handling package), it's not going to be any different in performance than a PP1 car with Magneride. Again, they're the same car other than the transmission.

I like Mach 1s, in fact I've been trying to buy one. But they're not really anything special or different from other GT Mustangs.

 

[Jstang23]

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a36030144/2021-ford-mustang-mach-1-drive/

I can't imgaine why you would think an M1 would be faster than a PP2. Other than not knowing what a PP2 is.

Basically, other than the transmission, they're the same car. And the PP2 is lighter.

And with the base Mach 1 (without the handling package), it's not going to be any different in performance than a PP1 car with Magneride. Again, they're the same car other than the transmission.

Other than the fact that Car and Driver literally tested it on a track with the same driver and it beat the PP2 by nearly 3 seconds... You're either stupid or blind. Not sure how I would think its faster my ass...

The article you sent says the M1 came with used tires and its camber and alignment setting set to the least aggressive setting. They even said with those issues fixed it would more than likely match or beat the 350r and PP2. The article was also published before they drove it on the track... so its not up to date information. The m1 base has wider tires, better suspension, better aero, better cooling, better transmission, and it NOT the same as the PP1.

In addition, here is the actual article explaining the test for m1 and I quote "The Mach 1 proved to be durable too. We tortured the Mustang over five consecutive laps to see whether its rear end would overheat like the Mustang GT Performance Pack Level 2's from a few years back. The Mach 1 never broke a sweat thanks to rear-differential, transmission, and engine oil coolers from the GT350R."

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a38966053/2021-ford-mustang-mach-1-lightning-lap/

Get out of here man, you don't know what you're talking about.

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