Limp Mode on the Track

[montreal ponies]

Also how does someone with less then 10 post call long term members pansies and not get banned?

I was wondering the same thing !!!!!!

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[02gtnh]

Where did Ford say these non cooler cars can't be tracked without coolers other then the owners manual? Most people don't read a manual until they buy the car. I don't remember anywhere where Ford has warned potential buyers of this. Is it out there?

 

[likeaboss]

Where did Ford say these non cooler cars can't be tracked without coolers other then the owners manual? Most people don't read a manual until they buy the car. I don't remember anywhere where Ford has warned potential buyers of this. Is it out there?

The only other thing is some media interviews where they said the base and Tech were good for 15-20 minute sessions.

 

[zombiekiller]

Not so sure about that, but if the customer doesn't fit into the seats they might not be inclined to buy the car. Probably the dealer would tend to buy the cars that more people can comfortably ride in. The dealers are probably assuming (like most of us) that there will be no major issues with the performance of the tech pack cars for occasional HPDE use. Just like the majority of Camaros and Mustangs - you can easily take them to the track and have fun 20 minute sessions. IMO there's no reason for anyone to expect that a GT350 wouldn't be able to handle it.



Most of us don't expect a free fix, but we do expect a recommendation from Ford on how to bring the tech pack up to a minimum level of ability that would match a base Mustang GT, for instance. It's only the guys with the track pack cars who are SAYING that we want it free, we want equal performance, blah blah blah. If you actually read what most of the tech pack guys are saying you will see I'm right here.

Frankly, the more I think about it - I do feel that Ford messed up pretty badly. The more people on here keep saying that a tech pack GT350 shouldn't be able to run briefly on the track in a performance driving situation - the more unreasonable/ridiculous they sound. I can only think they are jealous of the sweet heated and cooled seats and awesome Sync 3 system I have in my tech pack car, and their schadenfreude has them all wishing ill to the tech pack buyers. I can sure understand that. I would hate trying to live with those Recaros daily. That would be a killer.

Dude.. there is a tech pack car in my driveway. I'm trying to present my point in that, you can stomp and cry and whine all you want, but eventually, if ford does address it, you're not going to be happy unless you are willing to compromise a little bit.

My expectation is the even a tech pack gt350 should whip the piss out of a mustang gt if drivers are equal, coolers or not.

I just want to be able to run in a hpde session without the car pulling power. i dont really care to be running a 24 hr race at the hairy limit.

Honestly, my sentiment is, the gap between the two option packages' capabilities is far greater than was expected.

you cant really claim the 2017 changes as evidentiary. perhaps sourcing the same parts in greater numbers drove cost down for the 2nd year so they decided to go with it? you don't know with 100% certainty why it was done.

 

[TRACK CRAZY GT350]

turned down a 16 tech because of this and waiting for a 17

speaking of a 17

Ford knows the tech aint right and why all 17's will have all coolers.

just using common sense.

Also how does someone with less then 10 post call long term members pansies and not get banned?

I agree with you 100 %. Why wasn't this guy on the forum years ago? He shows up and starts calling people pansies.

 

[TRACK CRAZY GT350]

It's hilarious. I came here for info and tech and what you find is a bunch of bs page after page. And a bunch of Internet bench racing with some insults thrown in. If you've spent any time driving high HP cars at the track, you are not complaining about this issue because the whole thing is obvious.

Excuse us. We have to keep reminding ourselves that you are the BEST track driver in the world! You are the one that is hilarious.

 

[GT_Dave]

I knew what I was buying when I ordered my Tech Pack car, and I planned to put it on the track quite often. I had planned to add coolers down the road, but it would be great if Ford came out with some kits for those who want to add the option. I have researched the necessary equipment and found the components to add radiators, pumps, switches and temp gauges to the transmission and differential for less than a total of $550 and a little bit of work. I'm OK with that, it can be done, and I'm tired of reading all this complaining that Ford dropped the ball or mislead anyone.

 

[geb78]

I knew what I was buying when I ordered my Tech Pack car, and I planned to put it on the track quite often. I had planned to add coolers down the road, it would be great if Ford came out with some kits for those who want to add the option. I have researched the necessary equipment and found the components to add radiators, pumps, switches and temp gauges to the transmission and differential for less than a total of $550 and a little bit of work. I'm OK with that, it can be done, and I'm tired of reading all this complaining that Ford dropped the ball or mislead anyone.

Couldn't agree more with this post. After having rear diff overheating issues on a CTS-V and a friend having the same issues with a gen 5 Camaro I didn't want to experience the same problems on any components. If you plan on tracking a car you should have the cooling options. It's just a shame that Ford took a little while to realize that and correct it in 2017. From day 1 the tech package was for the street. I don't think Ford was deceptive or disinegenuous in a way.

 

[Rogue]

I knew what I was buying when I ordered my Tech Pack car, and I planned to put it on the track quite often. I had planned to add coolers down the road, but it would be great if Ford came out with some kits for those who want to add the option. I have researched the necessary equipment and found the components to add radiators, pumps, switches and temp gauges to the transmission and differential for less than a total of $550 and a little bit of work. I'm OK with that, it can be done, and I'm tired of reading all this complaining that Ford dropped the ball or mislead anyone.

This guy gets it.

Let the tech buyers know what you did and those who want to track their cars for full day sessions can replicate. Easy.

 

[Hack]

I knew what I was buying when I ordered my Tech Pack car, and I planned to put it on the track quite often. I had planned to add coolers down the road, but it would be great if Ford came out with some kits for those who want to add the option. I have researched the necessary equipment and found the components to add radiators, pumps, switches and temp gauges to the transmission and differential for less than a total of $550 and a little bit of work. I'm OK with that, it can be done, and I'm tired of reading all this complaining that Ford dropped the ball or mislead anyone.

Hey, good for you! So are you planning to wait until the warranty expires, or just install the coolers based on your best analysis and hope that Ford will cover a warranty claim if you have one?

 

[Rogue]

You have valid points. However, the root of our disagreement rests on two misperceptions:
1. ford did not disclose the issue. An owners manual is not disclosure.

2. I won't sell at a loss. I paid less than MSRP and will sell for well above that, without a doubt. Frankly, at that point, I could care less what ford thinks. I don't want a car that can't perform on the Autobahn or the track, and that's what's on the way.

Disagreement is healthy.

You mention the Autobahn - I find it strange you would be concerned about highway performance even without coolers on a tech package - that's not an issue. Typically a highway (even a 140 mph+ one like the Autobahn) does not experience repeated full threshold braking, heel/toe shifting and full high rpm turn after turn for sustained 20-30 minute sessions multiple times during a full day event. Highways and tracks have nothing in common as far as stress on a vehicle. You could do 100 autobahn runs on the same set of tires. You would be lucky to get 8 track days out of a set of tires - some will go through them much faster.

Also I have a question. How many technology package cars have hit the track here?

 

[lemers]

Here's my 2¢
1. Ford always described the GT350 as a track car. Every version

2. The base and tech packages come with "track only" items as standard.

3. Ford never said the base or tech can't go on the track ford said for longer runs you should get the track pack

Does ford need to look at these heat issues and see what's causing them. If heat-shields are all you need them make them available (warranty shouldn't be an issue). If coolers are required sell them through FP and if installed by a ford dealer don't void the warranty.

Either fix would be at the cost of the customer but Ford backs the solution. Fair compromise in my mind.




2016 GT350 Magnetic w/Black Stripes / Black Roof /Tech Package Build January, ETA March (US Port), Germany Apr, under MSRP

 

[DrumReaper]

It's amazing how many people who haven't actually tracked a 350 wanna jump on the #BashThe350 bandwagon.

Smh... Total nonsense.

 

[lemers]

I'm not bashing it. I just feel that there can be a fair solution for those who bought it, but tracking was a secondary motive.


2016 GT350 Magnetic w/Black Stripes / Black Roof /Tech Package Build January, ETA March (US Port), Germany Apr, under MSRP

 

[Grimace427]

Hey, good for you! So are you planning to wait until the warranty expires, or just install the coolers based on your best analysis and hope that Ford will cover a warranty claim if you have one?

Can you specify what you mean by warranty claim? Do you mean a failure due to heat from not being equipped with the factory cooler, failure of the aftermarket cooler allowing heat to damage the trans, or failure of the cooler directly causing damage to the trans?

If yes to any of the above, I doubt any of that would be covered under warranty anyway as failures on a racetrack would be cause for warranty denial regardless if it was timed or not because you wouldn't be able to prove it wasn't. Likewise you could also simply say you weren't on a racetrack to begin with and the dealer wouldn't be able to prove otherwise either, in which case the aftermarket coolers wouldn't really matter anyway.

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