Norm Peterson
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This ^^^Personally, I'd drive the car and put some miles on it before I started changing everything. See how it feels to you and then start with the most important things you think it needs.
Norm
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This ^^^Personally, I'd drive the car and put some miles on it before I started changing everything. See how it feels to you and then start with the most important things you think it needs.
Both of these things in your post looked absolutely stellar. The 13/14s get me every time I see them.I had a 14 TrakPak base Mustang
I did put a red Katzkin interior in it
Owning a PP1 car, i never noticed that the non performance pack cars come with 3 vents until now. That being said, I never have any issues with cooling/heating.As for the oil and vac gauges. I thought they looked cool when I didn't have them on my 15&17EB prem's. I have it on my 19GT PP1, and I think I've glanced over at it maybe two or three times while driving (since december).
And now wife is complaining that the car gets so stuffy too fast. The automatic climate control sometimes switches from foot vents to dash, when it gets stuffy, but the PP1 is missing the middle one of the central vents. I didn't think that mattered, but perhaps it does make a difference that the central vent is missing on the PP1. While the outer two vents are different sizes from the central round ones, and while the calc if air flow isn't just simple as counting # of registers (as length and diameter of flow and # and type of turns in chute adds to the equation), if you ignore all of that, deleting the central vent is losing 1/5 of dash vents, and 20% reduction does sound like a big change, and I am sure ford did not make changes to fan speed to compensate for the reduced number of vents in the pp1's and above.
Yup, choose it because it fits where you see you might take (or not take) your car. The way any of the PP options should be chosenIn regards to the thread, i bought my Mustang with the performance pack knowing that i had no plans to modify it much from stock. I'm more than happy with the way it is, so i made sure to option it the way i wanted for this reason.
The Torsen differential is best for people tracking the car. The trac lok diff is better for drag racing than the Torsen. Depends on what the car will be used for. Most guys just honk three times and hit the accelerator on the highway so Torsen does nothing for you.Hello.
I purchased my first Ford Mustang about a week ago, a 2021 Ford Mustang GT. It's got the 10-Speed Automatic, the 301A Package with the Drive Modes, and the Black Appearance Package. It does not have Active Exhaust or Magnaride Suspension.
What I'm wondering is if it would've been better to wait and try to get one with the Performance package. I'm planning on adding my own aftermarket modifications over time, but I wanted to know if it would have been better to get the Performance Package.
This being my first actual Muscle Car and my first time looking to modify a vehicle(Later on, of course.), I want to learn as much as possible to build a reliable list of modifications I want to make to the car.
And without the PP1 breaks how you are going to stop this 700 hp ? This is the worst advice I ever seen on this forum. The PP1 suspension is not even capable of putting 400 hp to the ground how it' s going to put 700 HP without the PP1 suspension ? Talking about a waste of money here ...Heres what I would recommend: Get the car supercharged by Ford instead. I think it would cost maybe $10,000 more and it would be warrantied.
Not sure if the Mustangs are detuned going East, but chassis dyno's here in the US have proven time and time again that the 18+ 460hp Gen 3 has put solid numbers of 415/425hp to the rear wheels. I don't think my stock 19GT PP1/A10 could have run 11.90's @ 116 in the quarter with less than 400 RWHP. With the FPP M-9603-M8A installed I'm expecting at least a couple of tenths better...IMHOAnd without the PP1 breaks how you are going to stop this 700 hp ? This is the worst advice I ever seen on this forum. The PP1 suspension is not even capable of putting 400 hp to the ground how it' s going to put 700 HP without the PP1 suspension ? Talking about a waste of money here ...
SUPERCHARGER WITHOUT BREMBO BRAKES OH MY GOD!!!! AND HOW WILL THE CAR EVEN TURN WITHOUT THAT OFFICIAL FORD PERFORMANCE STRUT TOWER BRACE!!And without the PP1 breaks how you are going to stop this 700 hp ? This is the worst advice I ever seen on this forum. The PP1 suspension is not even capable of putting 400 hp to the ground how it' s going to put 700 HP without the PP1 suspension ? Talking about a waste of money here ...
Yeah labor cost in my country is like 30-40$ per hour no need to know what a wrench is you know . I'm familiar with the aftermarket but your post was don't spend money on PP1 spend it on supercharger. There was nothing in your post about add after market suspension or after market breaks was it ?.You may be unaware that there are aftermarket suspension options even from ford. You don't have to spend thousands of dollars to get them. Sad thing is you would have to know what a wrench is I guess. And if he felt so inclined, those brakes are for sale as well. But yet again..... the wrench.
We have GPF in Europe so like 20/30 HP less than the american Gen 3's we also don't have Torsen or 3.73 gears. Our cars come equipped with half PP1 package: Breaks and suspension but no Torsen, no 3.73 gears, no pressure gauges, no strut tower brace. My car got on the dyno and have 320WHP/395hp 480 nm torque. I agree with adding after market suspension and parts but the post was about not spending the money for PP1 and buying a supercharger instead.Not sure if the Mustangs are detuned going East, but chassis dyno's here in the US have proven time and time again that the 18+ 460hp Gen 3 has put solid numbers of 415/425hp to the rear wheels. I don't think my stock 19GT PP1/A10 could have run 11.90's @ 116 in the quarter with less than 400 RWHP. With the FPP M-9603-M8A installed I'm expecting at least a couple of tenths better...IMHO
We have GPF in Europe so like 20/30 HP less than the american Gen 3's we also don't have Torsen or 3.73 gears. Our cars come equipped with half PP1 package: Breaks and suspension but no Torsen, no 3.73 gears, no pressure gauges, no strut tower brace. My car got on the dyno and have 320WHP/395hp 480 nm torque. I agree with adding after market suspension and parts but the post was about not spending the money for PP1 and buying a supercharger instead.
I also didn't state that fuel needs to be in the gas tank.Yeah labor cost in my country is like 30-40$ per hour no need to know what a wrench is you know . I'm familiar with the aftermarket but your post was don't spend money on PP1 spend it on supercharger. There was nothing in your post about add after market suspension or after market breaks was it ?.
I also didn't state that fuel needs to be in the gas tank.
The post, if you noticed, is "Is the Performance Package Worth It?" And my answer is that the $6000 is better spent towards a $10,000 supercharger installed and warrantied by Ford. The point being made is value.
And in reality, most people only want a badass street car and either rarely or never track the car. In which case, there is zero necessity for the brakes or suspension from the performance pack. If someone wants to track the car, then yes, there would be a need for modifications. And I wouldn't stop at the parts from the performance pack to track the car.
A Ford installed supercharger keeps the drivetrain warranty and lessens the decrease in value because there's proof that it wasn't done at a ragtag shop. Suspension and brakes aftermarket parts wouldn't void the drivetrain warranty, and they're really not needed for the street. My suspension is better than what the performance pack had to offer.
Spending the $6000 is not needed.
In my case, I bought a $5000 kit and installed it, so that cost less, but I don't have a warranty to figure into this.