HPP dyno

[TeeLew]

The point is, pumping raw fuel through an engine to remedy the fact that the engine can't run full-throttle for more than about 10 seconds is complete bullshit. It means the power rating on the engine is all but a lie. Yes, in theory the engine has X horsepower, but you'll never actually produce it.

The chassis tuning equivalent would be to spray WD-40 on the rear tires to fix understeer. Does it somewhat accomplish your goals? Yes. Was it a hack move so someone could get the shit off their desk without really addressing the issue? Without question.

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[BlueHPP]

The point is, pumping raw fuel through an engine to remedy the fact that the engine can't run full-throttle for more than about 10 seconds is complete bullshit. It means the power rating on the engine is all but a lie. Yes, in theory the engine has X horsepower, but you'll never actually produce it.

The chassis tuning equivalent would be to spray WD-40 on the rear tires to fix understeer. Does it somewhat accomplish your goals? Yes. Was it a hack move so someone could get the shit off their desk without really addressing the issue? Without question.

I like the WD-40 equivalent. I agree the Ford remedy is less than optimum. They could have fixed some of this with a IC upgrade, say Garrett from the factory.
It appears that Ford is working to kill the HPP anyway. Less than 3K sold last year and now raising the price. My (your?) HPP/HP sticker went from $36,755 to $38,105 for 2021. I think the HP cars now have "Premium Brakes" which I saw on one build sheet means the six piston Brembos. Still not a good omen.

 

[FreePenguin]

I think all the cars went up, my exact packaged car is like 1500 bucks more using the calculator than my sticker window invoice.

 

[BlueHPP]

I think all the cars went up, my exact packaged car is like 1500 bucks more using the calculator than my sticker window invoice.

Misremembered the 2021 price, is really $38,885. Pricey for a non premium ecoboost and very into GT territory. With the HPP going from $4995 to $6105.

 

[FreePenguin]

welcome to stimulus inflation guys, it isn't fords doing, its our economies future usd.

 

[TeeLew]

I really like my car, but, in retrospect, I would have been better off financially by buying a base Eco and modding from there.

The HPP idea is a good one, but the execution is lacking.

 

[FreePenguin]

I really like my car, but, in retrospect, I would have been better off financially by buying a base Eco and modding from there.

The HPP idea is a good one, but the execution is lacking.

HPP is excellent for those wanting an already suspensioned/tuned car. reliable safe. saves on labor in itself I think.

regular EcoBoost with 1500 in suspension, 500 for a tune, will rock and roll it all day. but labor etc can add up. I did all my work myself so id do regular EB and have better parts in the end, but if you are paying labor, high shop prices could make the already done version with warranty very very likable.

 

[shogun32]

but labor etc can add up.

it's hardly that bad. I got all the Steeda/BMR parts installed (diff+irs bushing *replacement*, bearings, braces, suspension), big IC with new piping, secondary oil cooler, wrapped exhaust, 6-pot Brembo, all installed for comfortably under 2 grand.

 

[FreePenguin]

Not in my area man, they gouge hard. something like 120-150 an hour. I called a few places out of curiosity about suspension, people was quoting me a grand minimum. all bs numbers.

Idk. I guess to me, the saving grace is buying the parts on sale + doing yoruself= cheap. thats what I did, rented a lift at 7 bucks an hour and went to town. maybe 150-200 bucks in lift hours for my entire cars projects and mods.

 

[shogun32]

ented a lift at 7 bucks an hour

now who's talking about unrealistic prices?

 

[FreePenguin]

now who's talking about unrealistic prices?

oh, its a military base thing. its where I do all my work. 5 bucks for a flat, 7 bucks for lift, they have every tool you can think of there, even tire balancing/rotations etc, spring compressing machines etc.

They even have an alignment rack, I may attempt it one day. What is really nice is they have 2 mechanics there generally who over view the place make sure you aren't going to die. They will give advice or lend a hand if needed.

Recently I was there and the newspaper people was there doing a snippet on the hobby shop, and took photos of us doing work.

gotta sport the amsoil.- I put my stock downpipe back on and was aligning my exhaust when that photo was taken, and did oil change/oil analysis from that sample. for a lump sum of, 10 bucks. 1.5 hours or so

Link to the article, it explains what / pricing etc. If anyone is near Dayton Ohio, or any military base and have base access you can utilize these.- page 4
https://epaper.daytondailynews.com/...me=&edid=5e4c3ae8-010e-4290-908c-4be20f6bac73

 

[TeeLew]

I do all my own work, so that has a lot to do with my opinion.

 

[FreePenguin]

I do all my own work, so that has a lot to do with my opinion.

I think I got Steeda, struts shocks, progressive springs, sway bars, camber plates, upgrade shock mounts, bushings, alignment dowels etc. for like 1500 bucks all said and done during Black Friday sale of 2019. it was a steal of all kinds of deals.

I found take off brakes off a GT with 1k miles, full calipers, rotors, shields, brake lines, pads, for 250 bucks off a member here, 3 hour drive to get them.

I mean, those 2 purchases my car was a whole new car in terms of handling and look.

If I found a leftover for a NASTY discount, I would get the HPP if all was equal, but if there was a large difference in pricing, id take the EB and mod it. I got 12k off my 2 year leftover, (34k msrp) I got for 21.4k (23k otd)

a good 6000 dollars in mods later. but thats, wheels, rims, audio, suspension and brakes, short shifter, exhaust, tint, FMIC, radiator, ppf luxury things. Things I couldn't get from ford on its own. Hell, the ford PP tune, I paid 500 from LMR, then sold the CAI for 250 bucks, and paid 80 to ford to tune it. so my tune was only like 300 dollars with the warranty behind it. (ha, warranty) but whatever.

 

[TeeLew]

I think I got Steeda, struts shocks, progressive springs, sway bars, camber plates, upgrade shock mounts, bushings, alignment dowels etc. for like 1500 bucks all said and done during Black Friday sale of 2019. it was a steal of all kinds of deals.

I found take off brakes off a GT with 1k miles, full calipers, rotors, shields, brake lines, pads, for 250 bucks off a member here, 3 hour drive to get them.

I mean, those 2 purchases my car was a whole new car in terms of handling and look.

If I found a leftover for a NASTY discount, I would get the HPP if all was equal, but if there was a large difference in pricing, id take the EB and mod it.

That was a smart way to do it. To maker it an HPP, about all left to do is the differential. So your choice was probably ~$2k cheaper than the HPP for a better performing car.

 

[FreePenguin]

That was a smart way to do it. To maker it an HPP, about all left to do is the differential. So your choice was probably ~$2k cheaper than the HPP for a better performing car.

for my car, 3.31 is the best thing for my life. I do 99% highway, so those extra mpg figures help me out, I fly onto highway 1/2 gear having fun, then just go 3rd then 6th lol. I get 32-36mpg all day long.

but yeah I think 3.55 would of been hair funner, but I think 3.31 is a blessing indiguise for me.

I do not think HPP is a bad car, I think its a great deal if you can score one on a deep discount. if I had a HPP I wouldn't of went and did everything I did, it would of been good enough. New FMIC would of been required of course. but other than that, good ole reliable

I just have to wonder how my car in terms of performance, would fare compared to HPP in terms of a dyno, or actual performance on street. or any EB with Ford perf tune Vs hpp.

HPP gets low MPG numbers, which I don't understand, I get way higher numbers on my ford tune. and the charts look like EB with FP has more power, but maybe HPP has more torque wider range on chart with that 63mm turbo.

I asked Cobb on their post what produces more power, eb with their Cobb tune, or hpp with Cobb tune, and they never replied.

like EB stage 2/3 Cobb, and HPP stage 2/3 Cobb, (as they have proper supporting mods, fmic and other accommodating mods)

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