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  1. Briebee72

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    We might not be talking about the same noise here but. My car when cold and especially if i'm in reverse makes a low weeee woo wee woo sound like a whistle but more like gizmo from gremlins LOL I was told its the electric steering motors making the noise.
     
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    In all actuality the cost of labor and parts probably cost about the same as what ford makes a engine for. You would be floored to find out how little ford spends to build the car they sell for 50k. Then the car wont be coming back in for other repairs later on the same old engine. Putting in a new one is in all likelihood an upfront cost savings over time. Plus its a write off as a loss im sure.
     
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    Another thought on whole engine replacement is that they return the engine to the factory to be examined to discover the issue. I know Harley Davidson often returns replaced motors for that specific purpose.
     
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    Pity the bookies and lawyers won't let Ford sell "returned crate engines" by the pallet to the public, no warranty, as-is, where-is...
     
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    Crazy, my 19 PP2 does the same thing. 600 miles on the odometer, days here have been in the 40s. Subbing as I want to see if this is worth taking to service.
     
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    I hear a chirp that sounds like a pulley on startup which I suspect is what the TSB is referring to. I haven't had it looked at yet either.
     
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    Yes, I think you're right. I wonder what they teach apprentices these days. It seems any fault under warranty is dealt with by fitting new parts, even a whole engine for a slight noise on cold start.
     
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    They did mention that the original would probably go back to Ford for inspection. They also said it was quicker and cheaper to replace it than strip it down and hope to trace the source of the noise.
     
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    Mine did it from day 1 with a handful of kms on it. I thought it was a belt but they said the belts and tensions were fine, although they couldn't hear anything because it was warmed up. They told me to put some more mileage on it and it might settle down, but it hasn't.
     
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    If my sound is related to the TSB being discussed (i.e., the primary timing chain tensioner oil pressure relief valve), then is this just a noise, or is this is an issue that will result in some kind of engine issue(s)?
     
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    Good question, but who knows. I'm not convinced an oil pressure relief valve issue could sound like this...

    https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/pulley-sound-when-cold.121044/

    This is what mine sounds like.
     
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    TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN
    5.0L - Chirping Noise From Engine Compartment At Warm Or Hot Idle - Built On Or Before 30-Apr-2019
    Model:
    TSB 19-2140
    08 May 2019
    Page 1 of 2
    Ford
    2018-2019 F-150
    2018-2019 Mustang
    Issue: Some 2018-2019 F-150 and Mustang vehicles equipped with a 5.0L engine built on or before 30-Apr- 2019 may exhibit a chirping type noise from the upper engine front cover area at warm or hot idle. This noise may sound similar to a front engine accessory drive (FEAD) chirp noise. This may be due to the primary timing chain tensioner oil pressure relief valve. To correct the condition, follow the Service Procedure steps to replace the primary timing chain tensioners.
    Action: Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition on vehicles that meet all of the following conditions:
    • 2018-2019 F-150/Mustang
    • 5.0L Engine
    • Built on or before 30-Apr-2019
    • Exhibits a chirping noise from the upper engine front cover area at warm or hot idle
    Parts
    Part Number
    Description
    Quantity
    JL3Z-6L266-C
    Primary Timing Chain Tensioner
    2
    BR3Z-6A340-A
    Crankshaft Bolt
    1
    F1VY-8507-A
    Water Pump O-ring
    1
    JL3Z-6584-C
    Right Valve Cover Gasket
    1
    JL3Z-6584-D
    Left Valve Cover Gasket
    1
    BR3Z-6C535-A
    VCT Seal
    4
    HL3Z-6C535-A
    Spark Plug Seals
    8
    JR3Z-9J323-A
    High Pressure Pump Fuel Tube
    1
    FT4Z-9E583-A
    High Pressure Pump Fuel Pump O-ring
    1
    GK2Z-6700-A
    Front Crank Seal
    1
    7T4Z-8590-A
    Thermostat Housing Gasket
    1
    BR3Z-6020-C
    Front Cover Gasket, Center
    1
    BR3Z-6020-B
    Front Cover Gasket, Left
    1
    BR3Z-6020-D
    Front Cover Gasket, Right
    1
    W712334-S440
    Strut Tower Brace Nuts (Mustang Only)
    2
    JR3Z-8620-A
    A/C Compressor Belt (Mustang Only)
    1
    AA5Z-6714-A
    Oil Filter
    1
    http://www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/vdirsnet/TSB/EU/~WTSB19-2140/US/E... 6/3/2019

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    ZC-30-A Motorcraft® Gasket Remover 1
    Warranty Status: Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage Warranty/ESP coverage limits/policies/prior approvals are not altered by a TSB. Warranty/ESP coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part and verified using the OASIS part coverage tool.
    Labor Times
    Repair/Claim Coding
    Service Procedure
    1. Remove the FEAD belt and the air conditioning (A/C) compressor belt and start the engine. Refer to the
    Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 303-05. Is the noise still present? (1). Yes - proceed to Step 2.
    (2). No - this article does not apply. Refer to WSM, Section 303-05D.
    2. Replace both primary timing chain tensioners. Refer to WSM, Section 303-01.
    © 2019 Ford Motor Company All rights reserved.
    NOTE: The information in Technical Service Bulletins is intended for use by trained, professional technicians with the knowledge, tools, and equipment to do the job properly and safely. It informs these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or provides information that could assist in proper vehicle service. The procedures should not be performed by "do-it-yourselfers". Do not assume that a condition described affects your car or truck. Contact a Ford or Lincoln dealership to determine whether the Bulletin applies to your vehicle. Warranty Policy and Extended Service Plan documentation determine Warranty and/or Extended Service Plan coverage unless stated otherwise in the TSB article. The information in this Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) was current at the time of printing. Ford Motor Company reserves the right to supersede this information with updates. The most recent information is available through Ford Motor Company's on-line technical resources.
    ZC-31B
    Motorcraft® Metal Surface Prep Wipes
    1
    TA-30
    Motorcraft® Silicone Gasket and Sealant
    1
    XO-5W20-Q1SP
    Motorcraft® SAE 5W-20 Synthetic Blend Motor Oil (All Markets Except Canada)
    F-150: 9, Mustang: 10
    CXO-5W20- LSP6
    Motorcraft® SAE 5W-20 Super Premium Motor Oil (Canada Only)
    F-150: 9, Mustang: 10
    Description
    Operation No.
    Time
    2018-2019 F-150 5.0L: Diagnose And Replace Both Primary Timing Chain Tensioners (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations)
    192140A
    8.4 Hrs.
    2018-2019 Mustang 5.0L: Diagnose And Replace Both Primary Timing Chain Tensioners (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations)
    192140B
    8.5 Hrs.
    Causal Part:
    6L266
    Condition Code:
    42
    http://www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/vdirsnet/TSB/EU/~WTSB19-2140/US/E... 6/3/2019
     
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    I get a little squeal like that in my EB when I start it and back out of the garage. It seems to go away by the time I'm on the road, or maybe it just gets drowned out by engine noise. :shrug:
     
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