Fuse 27 - EB Fake noise

[OppoLock]

It still sounds good for a turbocharged I4. Regardless of how the final soundtrack gets to your ears, be it fine tuned through canceling certain noises or amplified via real time playback pumping through the speakers, it sounds good. I'd rather have that kind of noise than silence or unwanted thrashiness.

I'm glad they didn't bother doing it to the GT, but it still needs an uncorked exhaust.

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[Papaya]

I am awake..

I just can't believe the EB owners in denial that there is any artificial Sound pumped through the stereo...wake up people.

You see, if the SOUND is so bad for some V8 buyers that they must change the exhaust system right away, WE EcoBoost buyers screw a loudspeaker under the rear bumper to get a "better" sound if we like. Much cheaper than a exhaust system.

*Before someone is posting only half pictures from a text about the sound engineering department, here for the V8 complainers and OP:

An Improved 5.0L V8 Engine that Really Growls
Ford made numerous upgrades to their 5.0L Coyote V8 engine for the 2015 model year. This includes:

• Larger intake valves
• Larger exhaust valves
• Revised intake camshafts
• Revised exhaust camshafts

The end result is a car that can breathe better, especially at higher engine speeds.
In order to really highlight the engine’s “soundtrack”, Ford gave it a revised exhaust system to lay the bass note and set the rhythm from the first crank of the engine (Listen Now). Ford says that, upfront, a redesigned induction sound tube matches the beat of the exhaust – note for note – playing directly into the cabin. The tube is now more centrally placed for a more natural balance.

So do not forget that the V8 has its own soundtrack too!

 

[spanner]

I just can't believe the EB owners in denial that there is any artificial Sound pumped through the stereo...wake up people.

While I like the EB concept; why does Ford do this stuff?

Considering the costs to develop, etc, why cant they apply these resourses towards quality/ efficiency/ power?

At least afford us the ability to disable without losing the radio!

:thumbdown:

 

[TampaBear67]

JoeDog, it isn't being recorded. If it were recorded and played back it would be out of phase/sync with the engine giving the driver an Un-Natural sensation. I concede that they are "Piping Sound In" through the Stereo but it is No Different to the Technology BMW, Porsche, and Many High End Manufacturers have been using for quite a few years.

I find it funny that most of the people Bitching about it are also people who are saying they're buying a GT because of the Sound, which is also Piped in via the Sound Symposer/Sound Tube. Ford spends Millions of Dollars to bring the Best Driving Experience They Can to the Masses at a Lower Price Point using the Most Current Technology Available. Would you rather drive the car and not hear the engine because they did such a good job of dampening out the Unwanted Sound?

In my opinion what they are doing with the sound of the Eco-Boost is Amazing for a car that costs Less than Half of other cars that People Hold in High Esteem. You don't hear Porsche 911, or BMW M-5/6 Owners Bitching about the Sound of their cars being Proscessed for Their Aural Enjoyment do you? Nothing Ford does is ever enough for so many Fickle Fan Boys. They could Literally Give Them What They Beg For and they would still Bitch About It and Nit Pick over something else.

I Commend Ford for the Expense and Effort they have gone to to make this car The Best Mustang Ever. I think they have done a Fine Job. Anyone who Doesn't Like It has Two Options., A: If you like it enough but it's not exactly perfect, buy it and Mod It to suit your taste B: Quit Bitching, STFU and Move Along. But dont sit here Pissing and Moaning about it.

 

[Papaya]

:hail:

JoeDog, it isn't being recorded. If it were recorded and played back it would be out of phase/sync with the engine giving the driver an Un-Natural sensation. I concede that they are "Piping Sound In" through the Stereo but it is No Different to the Technology BMW, Porsche, and Many High End Manufacturers have been using for quite a few years.

I find it funny that most of the people Bitching about it are also people who are saying they're buying a GT because of the Sound, which is also Piped in via the Sound Symposer/Sound Tube. Ford spends Millions of Dollars to bring the Best Driving Experience They Can to the Masses at a Lower Price Point using the Most Current Technology Available. Would you rather drive the car and not hear the engine because they did such a good job of dampening out the Unwanted Sound?

In my opinion what they are doing with the sound of the Eco-Boost is Amazing for a car that costs Less than Half of other cars that People Hold in High Esteem. You don't hear Porsche 911, or BMW M-5/6 Owners Bitching about the Sound of their cars being Proscessed for Their Aural Enjoyment do you? Nothing Ford does is ever enough for so many Fickle Fan Boys. They could Literally Give Them What They Beg For and they would still Bitch About It and Nit Pick over something else.

I Commend Ford for the Expense and Effort they have gone to to make this car The Best Mustang Ever. I think they have done a Fine Job. Anyone who Doesn't Like It has Two Options., A: If you like it enough but it's not exactly perfect, buy it and Mod It to suit your taste B: Quit Bitching, STFU and Move Along. But dont sit here Pissing and Moaning about it.

 

[tkw722]

JoeDog, it isn't being recorded. If it were recorded and played back it would be out of phase/sync with the engine giving the driver an Un-Natural sensation.

If the inverse sound is slightly out of phase with the audio source you wish to cancel, typically this doesn't result in anything unnatural, it simply results in the sound you wish to cancel being quieter than normal. So it doesn't completely eliminate the sound, it just significantly reduces it. But they also do pull off some pretty incredible things with signal processing to get the two sounds, the source and the inverse stream to be very close. In some of the best active noise control systems out there they do an excellent job. Usually, this is combined with quite a bit of passive noise cancellation as well in the form of insulation and materials that don't propagate sound as well.

So one thing to clear up is that if they are using active noise cancellation, microphones are a must. You have to record the sound that you intend to cancel out, which is why you need a microphone to hear it. So there must be a microphone somewhere close by the engine in order to pipe its sound into the system to be filtered through the stereo.

One thing that fascinates me though is how they can perform the active noise cancellation without disturbing what you are listening to on the stereo. Does any of that active noise cancellation affect the sound quality of music that you may be listening to?

My suspicion is no considering that some of the highest end headphones on the market do include active noise cancellation which uses similar principles, but how they do so is something I'm not familiar with.

 

[TampaBear67]

So one thing to clear up is that if they are using active noise cancellation, microphones are a must. You have to record the sound that you intend to cancel out, which is why you need a microphone to hear it. So there must be a microphone somewhere close by the engine in order to pipe its sound into the system to be filtered through the stereo.

One thing that fascinates me though is how they can perform the active noise cancellation without disturbing what you are listening to on the stereo. Does any of that active noise cancellation affect the sound quality of music that you may be listening to?

My suspicion is no considering that some of the highest end headphones on the market do include active noise cancellation which uses similar principles, but how they do so is something I'm not familiar with.

No, it won't affect the Music being played through the Sound System because firstly, Active Noise Cancellation is targeted at Specific Sound Waves and Patterns that the Microphone is tuned to pick up. Secondly I'm pretty sure they would have the Stereo System run through the Active Noise Cancellation software so it would know Not to Cancel Out those Frequencies.

 

[tkw722]

No, it won't affect the Music being played through the Sound System because firstly, Active Noise Cancellation is targeted at Specific Sound Waves and Patterns that the Microphone is tuned to pick up. Secondly I'm pretty sure they would have the Stereo System run through the Active Noise Cancellation software so it would know Not to Cancel Out those Frequencies.

Agreed, I think you're right. It's something along those lines I just don't know any specifics of how they work to preserve the audio intentionally being played through the stereo.

 

[TampaBear67]

If the inverse sound is slightly out of phase with the audio source you wish to cancel, typically this doesn't result in anything unnatural, it simply results in the sound you wish to cancel being quieter than normal. So it doesn't completely eliminate the sound, it just significantly reduces it. But they also do pull off some pretty incredible things with signal processing to get the two sounds, the source and the inverse stream to be very close. In some of the best active noise control systems out there they do an excellent job. Usually, this is combined with quite a bit of passive noise cancellation as well in the form of insulation and materials that don't propagate sound as well.

So one thing to clear up is that if they are using active noise cancellation, microphones are a must. You have to record the sound that you intend to cancel out, which is why you need a microphone to hear it. So there must be a microphone somewhere close by the engine in order to pipe its sound into the system to be filtered through the stereo.

One thing that fascinates me though is how they can perform the active noise cancellation without disturbing what you are listening to on the stereo. Does any of that active noise cancellation affect the sound quality of music that you may be listening to?

My suspicion is no considering that some of the highest end headphones on the market do include active noise cancellation which uses similar principles, but how they do so is something I'm not familiar with.

What I was talking about in response to JoeDog and Recording was not about the Noise Cancellation part of the System. I was referring to the Engine Sounds Ford Wants You to Hear. The Sound that is being Processed/Amplified and Played through the Speakers cant be Recorded Processed and then Played Back because the Driver would pick up the delay Subliminally if it were Out of Phase with their Tactile Sensations. Think of it more like a "Live Feed" of the Engine playing through an Amplifier, not a Recording being played back.

 

[Old 5 Oh]

Have to say, fake or not, the soundtrack of The Fast Lane EB review is pretty good. I thought it sounded a lot better than what we heard on the C/D videos a month or two back. Very V8-ish, and I don't know how they do that.

 

[TampaBear67]

Have to say, fake or not, the soundtrack of The Fast Lane EB review is pretty good. I thought it sounded a lot better than what we heard on the C/D videos a month or two back. Very V8-ish, and I don't know how they do that.

I Agree. The Fast Lane Video sounded Great! I'm more from the camp that would rather hear the Symphony of Sound coming from the Engine than the Boom and Drone of an Exhaust Note. Not that a Good Exhaust Note is a Bad Thing, but too many guys think a Louder Exhaust Is what makes it Better.

 

[JoeDogInKC]

Ok, I concede that I shouldn't have used the word "Recorded". It's mic'ed and amplified, not recorded. I think the other points remain still.

 

[OppoLock]

You see, if the SOUND is so bad for some V8 buyers that they must change the exhaust system right away, WE EcoBoost buyers screw a loudspeaker under the rear bumper to get a "better" sound if we like. Much cheaper than a exhaust system.

*Before someone is posting only half pictures from a text about the sound engineering department, here for the V8 complainers and OP:


So do not forget that the V8 has its own soundtrack too!

Uh... the word "soundtrack" is just an umbrella term that encompasses the engine's noises. Of course it has a soundtrack; it makes noise. Ford's mentioning of the V8's soundtrack does not imply syntheisized augmentation/amplification.

 

[tkw722]

What I was talking about in response to JoeDog and Recording was not about the Noise Cancellation part of the System. I was referring to the Engine Sounds Ford Wants You to Hear. The Sound that is being Processed/Amplified and Played through the Speakers cant be Recorded Processed and then Played Back because the Driver would pick up the delay Subliminally if it were Out of Phase with their Tactile Sensations. Think of it more like a "Live Feed" of the Engine playing through an Amplifier, not a Recording being played back.

Yep, absolutely, makes sense. The microphone is recording it in as much as it's a direct line feed into the signal processor that runs it through all of the active noise cancellation filters. I think it's really an ingenious system that Ford will be using and I can't wait to get to hear it for the first time in mine!

 

[souprmage]

Can I Haz F1 sound?

Because Race Car!!!!

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