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Sounds like a trick to me. They waited 20 mins & thought they had you for sure! -You were wise to walk away

While I like the EB concept; why does Ford do this stuff? :crazy: Considering the costs to develop, etc, why cant they apply these resourses towards quality/ efficiency/ power? At least afford us the ability to disable without losing the radio! :thumbdown:

Wait, what? :shocked:

Final numbers are out, with driveline loss, EB = 290 GT = 326 (driveline + elevation) Thats approx 12% difference in hp at 5000' elevation -These values are derived by me and are not official, nor accurate in any manner

Not bad! Thanks!

With hp numbers on the 2.3 out, Does this mean the 2.7 will be 350+ hp? (based on 135hp per liter) I really want a 2wd f-150 if so!

There are some desolate and dangerous stretches out here, but few over 100+ without full facilities. Id worry more about having a FS spare. Good luck finding a 17/18/19" tire after hours, on a weekend, somewhere deep in New Mexico or AZ

A pyro/ temp gauge would be alot easier to install than a timer.

Sorry, I was playin with V6 numbers on that one...

Kinda reminds me of the 6.0 Powerstroke back in '03/04. Anybody pre order one of those?:headbonk: Apples and Oranges here, but Ive been a bit shy to buy 1st model yr after this epic fail. http://www.internationalpowerstroke.com/6.0L-powerstroke-history.html...

Lets do more hypothetical math & conjecture... A V6 ecoboost @ 370hp minus 10%(Driveline loss) = 333hp A V8 Coyote @ 435hp minus 25%(Driveline 10% + 15% alt. loss) = 326.25hp If indeed these #'s are close, Id sure lean towards something force-fed up high..

So, it looks like my 330hp figure for the EB wont happen.. -With that said, the 5.0 would have 12-16% over the 4cyl. -Still not a huge advantage; having twice the cylinders and displacement

I sure dont look at the GT in this manner either. But after pondering the high altitude drawbacks of NA, compounded with this next generation of tech; reality could surprise us sooner than later!

Yea, my numbers will surely be a bit off, however, Im starting to realize that if you live in the Rockies, etc, you are NOT getting all the ponies you paid for! :tsk::crazy: Gonna be difficult for me to justify the HARD #'s ...20% more $$ for 10% more power...15% less efficient....

Sorry if this has already been discussed. Living at around 5000' altitude, the 5.0 numbers are diminished approx 15% According to my math.. A 330hp ecoboost would be 280hp with driveline loss, yet the 5.0 needs a 30% reduction (driveline loss + altitude) (guessing 430hp) Sobering the V-8 down...