First Start E85-16lbs Smoothboost & IW

[DevonTK]

I will look at it. But do you know how it interacts with a smoothboost using their rheostat boost knob?

I'm not sure, I will send them an email and ask. I know its specifically made for the smootboost. Looked pretty cool. I know people use it for hellcats and stuff.

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[5.0_Lojos]

First start up after mods, and Wengerd tune for E85-16lbs boost and IW 10% OD Damper, 3.500 griptec Pulley, Borla 3" "S" Type full exhaust with Carbon fiber 4"Tips, and LTH "Catless" header connection pipe, Vibrant aft oxygen sensor, 90° adjustable Defoulers, Steeda Driveshaft Safety Loop, (Note, Steeda safety loop brace will have to be trimmed to accomidate the 90° defoulers, I installed FI Interchiller 10mm thermal intake heat spacers as well as their underside thermal heat blanket on my Whipple. But; with my whipple being raised, I had to trim my PP1 upper cowel brace plus I had to raise my whipple air box up 10mm to properly fit the air box rubber inlet tube to TB. Car started up fast, the Idle was absolutely as smooth as stock. After i do my initial start up data logs for Wengerd to look at and make minor adjustments I plan to have towed to a Duno shop to do live running with Wengerd to not only to tune for the 16lbs but; to tune my smoothboost electronic whipple bypass controller for max boost and minimum boost setting. Then, when my rotator cuff major surgery I just had today heals enough, I will take to drag strip and make a few runs.

Is this like a wastegate setup? Interesting.

 

[DougS550]

Is this like a wastegate setup? Interesting.

You set the max boost level where you want to run it at for the traction limits your driving on. Like my current setup is over 900whp. On the street at 80° + temp I will set max higher and hopefully be able to turn TC off. Now if I had a way to adjust boost per gear and RPM that would be turbo boost controller capability. But; regardless, even though I only started my car in garage, the idle and smoothness of idle and when I increased rpm was noticeably smoother. My main concern with the whipple vacuum boost valve was it was so erratic and very and really not linier with pedal movement made it to unpredictable at my power levels.

 

[DougS550]

Let us know how far the kpm fuel system works, im highly looking into them for e85 and am hoping they can do 900whp without upgrading to their higher system

Well David recommended upgrading to their 2200 but Wengerd said looking at my injectors duty cycles he see me having no issue going to 16lbs. Note: I had Wengerd set my knock and other "Safety perimeters" at "High levels" since I just had major rotator cuff surgery, takes me away from driving for a few months. I am in the process of finding a tuner around Indianaposis which can "live" dyno tune to get it tuned and test the smoothboost electronic boost valve.

 

[DougS550]

I'm not sure, I will send them an email and ask. I know its specifically made for the smootboost. Looked pretty cool. I know people use it for hellcats and stuff.

If it can connect to my smoothboost and allow me to adjust boost per gear AND RPM, That would be Priceless. If not this set.up i feel will work just fine.

 

[DougS550]

@DougS550 does the smooth boost controller allow different ramps? I wouldn't want a pd blower to feel like a centri except in all of the worst conditions I would actually drive my car in.

When on the dyno I will turn the boost controller rheostat from minimum to max during a WOT run to see if I could adjust during those WOT times.

 

[CarDad29]

Given that their controller is CAN driven, they can probably program it to look for gear value off the network (you have rev-matching so the car knows what gear it's in already) if you ask. I don't know what kind of logic structure they're using but they could probably substitute their wheel speed control to just look at gear selection instead. Being PD blower and fairly flat torque curve their vehicle-speed driven logic would probably work about as well as boost by gear..

My only concern here would be how well their CAN controller integrates. I've found that most simple OBD readers channels get overwhelmed by traffic especially as the car transitions into boost the gauges (both on the OBD port and the ones in the cluster) "freeze data" frequently. If they're on this channel ramping boost by speed it may not "ramp in" smoothly.

 

[80FoxCoupe]

Seems like this setup eliminates the appeal of the PD. The grass is always greener I suppose.

 

[CarDad29]

Doesn't really eliminate it, unless you program it to. More you don't HAVE to have it all right away, but you still could if wanted to.

 

[80FoxCoupe]

Doesn't really eliminate it, unless you program it to. More you don't HAVE to have it all right away, but you still could if wanted to.

Eliminating the appeal. It sounds like having all the power right away is an issue.

 

[Ruiner46]

Eliminating the appeal. It sounds like having all the power right away is an issue.

For me, this change would be about simplifying tuning to make the car more smooth. I prefer to control power output with my foot instead of a gadget, but when I run my 3.25" pulley and E85 tune, the throttle becomes a lightswitch. The bypass valve slams open and closed too easily when trying to do anything sporty at part throttle. I'll be rolling on the throttle and then suddenly the bypass closes and I'm instantly lighting up the tires. Makes the car jerky and just not fun to drive. With a controlled transition, I should be able to have more fun in the area between cruising and WOT.

 

[80FoxCoupe]

For me, this change would be about simplifying tuning to make the car more smooth. I prefer to control power output with my foot instead of a gadget, but when I run my 3.25" pulley and E85 tune, the throttle becomes a lightswitch. The bypass valve slams open and closed too easily when trying to do anything sporty at part throttle. I'll be rolling on the throttle and then suddenly the bypass closes and I'm instantly lighting up the tires. Makes the car jerky and just not fun to drive. With a controlled transition, I should be able to have more fun in the area between cruising and WOT.

Ah I see. That issue combined with a large TB would not be pleasant.

 

[illtal]

For me, this change would be about simplifying tuning to make the car more smooth. I prefer to control power output with my foot instead of a gadget, but when I run my 3.25" pulley and E85 tune, the throttle becomes a lightswitch. The bypass valve slams open and closed too easily when trying to do anything sporty at part throttle. I'll be rolling on the throttle and then suddenly the bypass closes and I'm instantly lighting up the tires. Makes the car jerky and just not fun to drive. With a controlled transition, I should be able to have more fun in the area between cruising and WOT.

Sounds like throttle timing might be a better way to deal with the aggressiveness no?

 

[DougS550]

Seems like this setup eliminates the appeal of the PD. The grass is always greener I suppose.

It's about controlling the liner exceleration to be constant and be predictable with the boost increase. The SB does not make a PD a Centri or Turbo, just males it more predictable and manageable so hopefully for me, I can still increase my boost and live a happy life. Lol

 

[80FoxCoupe]

It's about controlling the liner exceleration to be constant and be predictable with the boost increase. The SB does not make a PD a Centri or Turbo, just males it more predictable and manageable so hopefully for me, I can still increase my boost and live a happy life. Lol

I don't have the need to run the boost up and down alot. I just use the accelerator pedal for that. My setup is simpler I suppose.

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