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[Ewheels]

How did you mount the gauge?
By the way...the people are waiting for the track picture with the big wang
....I'm the people

Ok, got track pictures now...

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[Biggsy]

I guess not trans temp but people say the manual doesn't get too hot....and I change the fluid frequently enough to negate that concern.....I hope.

yea it’s one of my things to download down the road. That road tends to get longer every now and then. But my plan is to use the cooler and mounting from the M1, 350 and 500. Maybe in 2026.

Side note: I also cut off the fake diffuser. I'm sure some will say it looks ghetto but I really like the look. Perhaps less drag too.

yea I saw Terry (Vorshlag) do that to his car. Gets rid of the parachute effect. I have that on my winter to do list. Going to go with a verus diffuser because curbs don’t like carbon fiber and neither does my bank account. Wish someone made a more aggressive one than Verus.

Car looks great man. Hopefully 2025 brings you a lot of track time, fun and podiums.

 

[Ewheels]

yea it’s one of my things to download down the road. That road tends to get longer every now and then. But my plan is to use the cooler and mounting from the M1, 350 and 500. Maybe in 2026.

yea I saw Terry (Vorshlag) do that to his car. Gets rid of the parachute effect. I have that on my winter to do list. Going to go with a verus diffuser because curbs don’t like carbon fiber and neither does my bank account. Wish someone made a more aggressive one than Verus.

Car looks great man. Hopefully 2025 brings you a lot of track time, fun and podiums.

I've heard the Verus diffuser helps more for drag than downforce. I've also heard any diffuser is practically useless unless you have a complete flat floor Makes sense but they do look cool.

Yeah I got the carbon wing but that's probably the only carbon I'll get. Just too expensive. I'll likely do a Racebred splitter when that time comes. I think they're $350.


Thanks man. I think jumped into time attack too early and it got to my head. I might just hangout in HPDE's for some time until my times get quicker. But definitely looking for as much track time as the wife will allow.

 

[Biggsy]

I've heard the Verus diffuser helps more for drag than downforce. I've also heard any diffuser is practically useless unless you have a complete flat floor Makes sense but they do look cool.

yea I am going to try and get an extension like this to close up the gap underneath. Should be better than nothing. We will see

Yeah I got the carbon wing but that's probably the only carbon I'll get. Just too expensive. I'll likely do a Racebred splitter when that time comes. I think they're $350.

in trying to find a PP lip while I’m in the Atlanta area for the week to take it to 9Lives so they can make a splitter. Easier to find that than a car for R&D.

Thanks man. I think jumped into time attack too early and it got to my head. I might just hangout in HPDE's for some time until my times get quicker. But definitely looking for as much track time as the wife will allow.

Great thinking. But seeing your progress gave me encouragement to go down that path. Also I got a passenger seat so my girlfriend and I can spend “quality time” together on the track and I don’t have to hear how much time I’m spending away doing car stuff. Let her enjoy the benefits of letting me go away for hours(or days) to work on the car.

 

[ihasnostang]

yea I am going to try and get an extension like this to close up the gap underneath. Should be better than nothing. We will see



in trying to find a PP lip while I’m in the Atlanta area for the week to take it to 9Lives so they can make a splitter. Easier to find that than a car for R&D.


Great thinking. But seeing your progress gave me encouragement to go down that path. Also I got a passenger seat so my girlfriend and I can spend “quality time” together on the track and I don’t have to hear how much time I’m spending away doing car stuff. Let her enjoy the benefits of letting me go away for hours(or days) to work on the car.

you've been driving around in circles for 15 min, just pull over and ask for directions already

 

[Ewheels]

Great thinking. But seeing your progress gave me encouragement to go down that path. Also I got a passenger seat so my girlfriend and I can spend “quality time” together on the track and I don’t have to hear how much time I’m spending away doing car stuff. Let her enjoy the benefits of letting me go away for hours(or days) to work on the car.

Don't get me wrong, time attack is super fun and definitely the goal but I don't think my skills are all that competitive yet. Still 2-3 seconds off 1st place guys.

I was perfectly content doing HPDEs when a friend asked me to join a time attack event. I figured I'd come in last and ended up on the podium. That made me think "wow, I must be pretty good at this"......nope. Still have a lot to learn and learning in a timed event just adds too much mental pressure for me. Wasn't making any progress.

 

[GTP]

Don't get me wrong, time attack is super fun and definitely the goal but I don't think my skills are all that competitive yet. Still 2-3 seconds off 1st place guys.

I was perfectly content doing HPDEs when a friend asked me to join a time attack event. I figured I'd come in last and ended up on the podium. That made me think "wow, I must be pretty good at this"......nope. Still have a lot to learn and learning in a timed event just adds too much mental pressure for me. Wasn't making any progress.

Eric, do you also feel that "risk" increases when running time attack?

I have plenty of fun with HPDE, and modding my car as-needed with no rules constraints. I review my times via Catalyst, i.e. after the fact, and so I focus on improvement, traffic, sudden situations, etc. while on track.

 

[Ewheels]

Eric, do you also feel that "risk" increases when running time attack?

Actually, the opposite. In my experience, the guys in time attack take things a lot more seriously and are generally much more aware and overall better drivers.

In HPDEs, there's always someone who lied about their experience level, not paying attention to flags or other cars, etc. Generally, higher risk of a "dumbass" on track in HPDE than time attack.


Plus, in HPDE, cars always seem to get bunched up by someone not letting others by or someone not passing. In time attack, they space everyone out by lap time so you generally see much less traffic (the guy in front of you is generally faster & the guy behind you is generally slower).

 

[GTP]

Actually, the opposite. In my experience, the guys in time attack take things a lot more seriously and are generally much more aware and overall better drivers.

In HPDEs, there's always someone who lied about their experience level, not paying attention to flags or other cars, etc. Generally, higher risk of a "dumbass" on track in HPDE than time attack.

I see. I was referring to risk in regards to "pushing" harder. But on track drivers and cars (e.g. breakdown) has risk as you pointed out.

 

[Ewheels]

I see. I was referring to risk in regards to "pushing" harder. But on track drivers and cars (e.g. breakdown) has risk as you pointed out.

Oooooh, um I suppose but that's more subjective. I definitely feel mental pressure to go faster but that's just me.
Try it out and see how you like it.

 

[Biggsy]

I see. I was referring to risk in regards to "pushing" harder. But on track drivers and cars (e.g. breakdown) has risk as you pointed out.

I believe the risks you speak of does increase. I work as a flagger throughout the year for the past two years and most incidents happen in the advance/TT group in my experience. The reasoning I’ve settled on is that quite a good number of people in those groups have built cars that they are okay with walking away financially from (ie. the bank doesn’t own it). They have the safety to withstand fires and rollovers so a tire wall will have a different impact than a car of a novice driver that has a few bolt ons and just trying to see what their car can do.

another reason is that once you are at that level, especially in the front of the pack, your time differences between your own laps and competitors are less than a second so there is a desire to push for the smallest tenth or ms. Some people will say that last tenth can be the most detrimental.

again, that’s my own explanation but I could be wrong.

 

[GTP]

I think you may be onto something.

... They have the safety to withstand fires and rollovers so a tire wall will have a different impact than a car of a novice driver that has a few bolt ons and just trying to see what their car can do.
...

but not sure what you mean there.

 

[Biggsy]

I think to may be into something.



but not sure what you mean there.

I guess what I meant was that drivers in the built cars that I mentioned have better safety equipment. Whether it be a roll bar or fire suppression system or full cage. Because they have all the things they are willing to push a bit harder. Even though drivers don’t expect to run into a tire wall, I think safety wise if they were to have an off that they would be protected.

drivers in intermediate or novice groups generally don’t have the same safety equipment and at a minimum just a certified helmet. Hopefully that makes a bit more sense.

 

[2morrow]

I've heard the Verus diffuser helps more for drag than downforce. I've also heard any diffuser is practically useless unless you have a complete flat floor Makes sense but they do look cool.

I would agree with the first statement, somewhat with the second, and definitely with the third!

yea I am going to try and get an extension like this to close up the gap underneath. Should be better than nothing. We will see

Do you mind sharing a link to that part? Thanks Warren

I guess what I meant was that drivers in the built cars that I mentioned have better safety equipment. Whether it be a roll bar or fire suppression system or full cage. Because they have all the things they are willing to push a bit harder. Even though drivers don’t expect to run into a tire wall, I think safety wise if they were to have an off that they would be protected.

drivers in intermediate or novice groups generally don’t have the same safety equipment and at a minimum just a certified helmet. Hopefully that makes a bit more sense.

100% agree with this. When I was coaching and even up to my last track day in September you see some SUPER-Sketchy cars in Novice/Inter. One dude at the last event had a 64 Ford Falcon with almost original everything except a built motor and he went into a wall. His passengers head hit the windshield. Both were wearing the OEM lap belts.

Don't even get me started on the built TT R8 that I encountered when coaching Novice. First track day ever lol


Anyhoo... @Ewheels , really nice thread you put together here with your experiences. I often lurk in the background. I think you're going to enjoy your track day experiences more now that you're in the towing club. It takes away a lot of stress about the car when traveling and I feel that if you have a rig that's up to the task, towing isn't stressful at all. Just keep your distance lol.

Hope you both have a great new year @Biggsy & @Ewheels !

 

[tosha]

Interesting discussion. In my experience, crashes, especially big ones, certainly happen a lot more often in advanced or open lapping groups. Novices seem to be too scared to really push it or do something stupid. In the Solo..... I've lost count of GT3's going into inside wall, old BMW racecars spilling fluids and screwing it up for others, a GT4 that landed on a roof 5 times while rolling across the run off area, a guy in a caged bmw who ended his day with a helicopter trip to ER for 12 days, and etc.

Maybe it's track dependent, some are more forgiving and not as fast, but for the ones I frequent, I see a lot more red flags in solo groups or open lapping, than it's been in beginner groups.

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