Edelbrock E-Force Troubleshooting Manual

[plasmid]

Sorry for the long post.

So yesterday I went out to do a WOT pull to 5000rpm as requested by Lund. Car is still limited to 5K.

First time I've driven the car 'spiritedly'. It's the first time I've ever been in a supercharged car let alone driven one! The bloody thing pulls like a freight train!!

However I'm already in panic mode. I'm probably worried about nothing. I'm not sure I can describe it and I presume supercharging changes how the car behaves, puts extra stress on parts and creates extra noises.

When I accelerate somewhat hard ( I'm trying not to push it obviously) it just sounds violent! I can't work out if it's intake noise (Stock CAI) or header noise (longtubes) or a physical creaking or groaning sound.

I've had a quick look at the logs and they look good to me. No knock. Fuel trims look good. But I'm no expert.

I'm fairly certain there is nothing hitting anything. I've had a look at the exhaust, I've checked engine mounts.

I hope that makes sense...

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[Burkey]

Sorry for the long post.

So yesterday I went out to do a WOT pull to 5000rpm as requested by Lund. Car is still limited to 5K.

First time I've driven the car 'spiritedly'. It's the first time I've ever been in a supercharged car let alone driven one! The bloody thing pulls like a freight train!!

However I'm already in panic mode. I'm probably worried about nothing. I'm not sure I can describe it and I presume supercharging changes how the car behaves, puts extra stress on parts and creates extra noises.

When I accelerate somewhat hard ( I'm trying not to push it obviously) it just sounds violent! I can't work out if it's intake noise (Stock CAI) or header noise (longtubes) or a physical creaking or groaning sound.

I've had a quick look at the logs and they look good to me. No knock. Fuel trims look good. But I'm no expert.

I'm fairly certain there is nothing hitting anything. I've had a look at the exhaust, I've checked engine mounts.

I hope that makes sense...

Can’t say I’ve ever noticed any new noises but I also have an exhaust system that dominates every part of the WOT experience...
If you have any concerns re logs, you can upload them to Datazap.me and share them here.
Lund have a fast turnaround time though and I’ll almost 100% guarantee that they haven’t put the vehicle in any jeopardy. It’s just not how they do business.
Also, regarding panic mode:
I’m cool with skids at about 60-70mph but when my car decided to start breaking traction near the top of 4th (~120mph), I shat pretty hard.

 

[wsfrazier]

As someone with stock exhaust still, I don't really notice anything at WOT. If I have the hood open at idle and listen, I can hear the blower making a little bit of noise. Almost like a knock, but it's hard to tell it from the HPFP and injector noise.

Just driving around normal, at part throttle I can sometimes hear and mechanical/bearing type noise, but I assume that it's the bypass opening/closing and rotor noise passing through. Also sometimes here the occasional belt creaking noise.

 

[plasmid]

Can’t say I’ve ever noticed any new noises but I also have an exhaust system that dominates every part of the WOT experience...
If you have any concerns re logs, you can upload them to Datazap.me and share them here.
Lund have a fast turnaround time though and I’ll almost 100% guarantee that they haven’t put the vehicle in any jeopardy. It’s just not how they do business.
Also, regarding panic mode:
I’m cool with skids at about 60-70mph but when my car decided to start breaking traction near the top of 4th (~120mph), I shat pretty hard.

Hey thanks Burkey.

I just went out and just drove around and logged it. I've attached the datazap link.

The chart generated from datazap seems slightly different to the Live link one. On live link I was getting max knock of +2. Not sure how much knock is bad knock.

https://datazap.me/u/plasmid/mustang?log=0&data=1-28&mark=6421

 

[Burkey]

Hey thanks Burkey.

I just went out and just drove around and logged it. I've attached the datazap link.

The chart generated from datazap seems slightly different to the Live link one. On live link I was getting max knock of +2. Not sure how much knock is bad knock.

https://datazap.me/u/plasmid/mustang?log=0&data=1-28&mark=6421

I took a quick look and I can’t find any WOT in the log (might have skipped past it by accident).
Did you go WOT at any point?

 

[illtal]

Sorry for the long post.

So yesterday I went out to do a WOT pull to 5000rpm as requested by Lund. Car is still limited to 5K.

First time I've driven the car 'spiritedly'. It's the first time I've ever been in a supercharged car let alone driven one! The bloody thing pulls like a freight train!!

However I'm already in panic mode. I'm probably worried about nothing. I'm not sure I can describe it and I presume supercharging changes how the car behaves, puts extra stress on parts and creates extra noises.

When I accelerate somewhat hard ( I'm trying not to push it obviously) it just sounds violent! I can't work out if it's intake noise (Stock CAI) or header noise (longtubes) or a physical creaking or groaning sound.

I've had a quick look at the logs and they look good to me. No knock. Fuel trims look good. But I'm no expert.

I'm fairly certain there is nothing hitting anything. I've had a look at the exhaust, I've checked engine mounts.

I hope that makes sense...

Headers typically do not have any flex connections. This is probably see of the noise you hear

 

[plasmid]

I took a quick look and I can’t find any WOT in the log (might have skipped past it by accident).
Did you go WOT at any point?

No not in there mate. This one. Sorry. Too scared until I hear back from Lund. LOL...

The one I sent to Lund is literally the WOT.

https://datazap.me/u/plasmid/log-1589798827?log=0&data=1

 

[matwgood]

What is everybody seeing for IAT's? I am consistently seeing 30 degree's above ambient. This is the case if I am getting on it or if I am just cruising down the highway at 80 mph. I think I might have a small leak somewhere in the intercooler plumbing. I have noticed a couple of drops of coolant every so often and its not really consistent. I am going to take off the front bumper/splash shield just to verify everything is connected and tight. I am sure if I do have a leak that is introducing air into the system. I just wanted to see what people are seeing with theirs and what I should be expecting.

 

[Stang 19]

What is everybody seeing for IAT's? I am consistently seeing 30 degree's above ambient. This is the case if I am getting on it or if I am just cruising down the highway at 80 mph. I think I might have a small leak somewhere in the intercooler plumbing. I have noticed a couple of drops of coolant every so often and its not really consistent. I am going to take off the front bumper/splash shield just to verify everything is connected and tight. I am sure if I do have a leak that is introducing air into the system. I just wanted to see what people are seeing with theirs and what I should be expecting.

99% chance it is your intercooler overflow/fill tank. They are crappy blow molded plastic. Edelbrock sent me a warranty replacement no questions asked . I’m in the middle of researching a replacement tank . I have an email in to FIGS Engineering. They have a nice ( and expensive replacement, but not sure if we can adapt to our setup. Anyone else find a good alternative?

 

[illtal]

99% chance it is your intercooler overflow/fill tank. They are crappy blow molded plastic. Edelbrock sent me a warranty replacement no questions asked . I’m in the middle of researching a replacement tank . I have an email in to FIGS Engineering. They have a nice ( and expensive replacement, but not sure if we can adapt to our setup. Anyone else find a good alternative?

PNR half moon and Watson racing tank kit.

 

[illtal]

PNR half moon and Watson racing tank kit.

99% chance it is your intercooler overflow/fill tank. They are crappy blow molded plastic. Edelbrock sent me a warranty replacement no questions asked . I’m in the middle of researching a replacement tank . I have an email in to FIGS Engineering. They have a nice ( and expensive replacement, but not sure if we can adapt to our setup. Anyone else find a good alternative?

Now that I see that for 400 dollars I think I'll just see if PNR is willing to make a higher capacity Surge tank that we can use on our kit. Hell the half moon tank they make at 5 gallons is cheaper than that tank.

 

[illtal]

So I just sent them an email. I will.post up what the response will be.

 

[aleccolin]

Are you looking for an ice tank, more volume of coolant in the system, or just a more efficient system?

Ice tanks are for drag racing, don't get one unless that's your thing.

Fit the largest heat exchanger you can and it'll both increase the volume of coolant in the system and the overall cooling capacity of the system. Focus on getting air out effectively.

If you're just looking for a replacement for the Edelbrock plastic tank, that should be easy just measure the volume and get one at least that size or larger.

 

[illtal]

Are you looking for an ice tank, more volume of coolant in the system, or just a more efficient system?

Ice tanks are for drag racing, don't get one unless that's your thing.

Fit the largest heat exchanger you can and it'll both increase the volume of coolant in the system and the overall cooling capacity of the system. Focus on getting air out effectively.

Yea but the HEs are very expensive, having more fluid is a good buffer to help keep heat down. I did email AFCO about this as well. The Rep told me I would have to send them the existing HE and maximum desired measurements to see if they can improve upon what we have. Seeing how there is a lot more space available it shouldn't be much of an issue except we're probably talking something over the 1k mark now.

I'm not around to do anything like that so I guess I'll have to wait until i'm back to see what would be done.

 

[aleccolin]

Is anybody using a Vortech tank? Seems like a good option, fitment shouldn't be too hard.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/...Gg6UhXVM3XTkAPOCs2g0Jvy0NQ3yqIYBoCYEMQAvD_BwE

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