Another Edelbrock E-Force Supercharger Thread

[West TX GT]

The dyno graph posted of the Edelbrock doesn't look anything like mine. This is a 6th gear pull, 7th read 25whp and 50wtrq higher, but we had some slip on the dyno so proceeded to do out pulls in 6th.

Red = 15* of timing
Blue = 16.5* of timing
Green = 13* of timing

The tune is set up to run a flat spark curve, so KR does not add or remove timing(unless knock is detected, how ever no knock was detected on any of the pulls)


Edelbrock stage 1 w/stock TB and airbox(3.25" pulley making 10psi through out the entire RPM band)
DW95 injectors
Stock fuel system on 93 octane
Magnaflow catback exhaust
stock headers/cats

If you notice peak torque is made around 2800rpm(would make it sooner but there is a nitrous pill in my bypass to help ramp in the boost slower). The dyno posted showing the whipple vs Edelbrock has torque showing low then ramping up around 5000rpm. I also spun mine to 8200 to see how it looked like revving as high on a stock TB and airbox, you can def see the TB and airbox start chocking the rotors out around 7500rpm where they stop making more power.

The 103mm TB is def going to help with pressure drop across the TB with this blower. While it may not be as large as the 132/150 variants from Whipple, it will def help when compared to the stock 80mm or FRPP/BBK 90mm. I plan to upgrade to this once it's available and will be posting more dyno results with pulls to 8200rpm like above to show how it does.

Where exactly is the nitrous pill? There was no mention of it that I saw in the instructions. Did it come pre-installed?

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[Brent Davis]

Burkey, no I don’t mind at all. I’ve stated before that I think edelbrock has made a good product for the guys BUT I also know that my car was built by Signature Speed to exactly as their own ‘18 A10 car that indeed ran 9.0’s@156 a few times at 4020lbs. Now compare what this edelbrock equipped A10 ‘18’s run in the video.......apples to apples too. Dynos can be manipulated......the track MPH tells the tale.

 

[Kona 18]

Where exactly is the nitrous pill? There was no mention of it that I saw in the instructions. Did it come pre-installed?

It's pre-installed on the bypass hose, you can simply swap the hose out for a standard hose to remove the nitrous pill.

 

[gimmie11s]

Burkey, no I don’t mind at all. I’ve stated before that I think edelbrock has made a good product for the guys BUT I also know that my car was built by Signature Speed to exactly as their own ‘18 A10 car that indeed ran 9.0’s@156 a few times at 4020lbs. Now compare what this edelbrock equipped A10 ‘18’s run in the video.......apples to apples too. Dynos can be manipulated......the track MPH tells the tale.

That's crazy mph. Very very impressive.

 

[West TX GT]

It's pre-installed on the bypass hose, you can simply swap the hose out for a standard hose to remove the nitrous pill.

Thanks!

 

[Burkey]

Burkey, no I don’t mind at all. I’ve stated before that I think edelbrock has made a good product for the guys BUT I also know that my car was built by Signature Speed to exactly as their own ‘18 A10 car that indeed ran 9.0’s@156 a few times at 4020lbs. Now compare what this edelbrock equipped A10 ‘18’s run in the video.......apples to apples too. Dynos can be manipulated......the track MPH tells the tale.

I totally agree that the strip is the arbiter of truth in terms of outright HP. No disputes from me there.

Without knowing the specifics of Ballard’s setup I really can’t comment on that too much.
I’m assuming he’s on the 150mm TB, possibly with an ice tank? I’m just guessing.
It’s probably fair to surmise that Ballard is at the pointiest of pointy ends within the context of the thousands of Whipple equipped cars running around.

In any case, I’m not convinced that we’ve seen the best of what the revised Edelbrock has to offer at this point, which is not to say that I think it’ll run 156mph @16psi either... I’m just saying that with a very limited number of cars using the new kit (with the revised inlet and 103 TB) and even less still that are on e85/16psi, that it’s far too early to even attempt to predict the capability for that combo on the strip. We know that DA is going to play a role in the results.
In short, if you have enough cars attending enough meetings, you’ll eventually produce a “best” which quickly becomes the benchmark, not necessarily the norm.

The reality with the Whipples from what I can see, is that the harder you’re willing to rev the engine, the more power you’ll make. They don’t seem to have a point where they “fall over”
The bigger question for the average customer is “how hard do you REALLY want to rev your engine?”
I’m happy to take mine to 8k occasionally, but if I could make similar power at 7k I’d be a lot happier (as would my engine).

Don’t get me wrong, I still think the Gen 5 Whipple on an 18 auto car makes GOOD sense for drag racing and it’s proven to be very capable. I’m not bashing it at all.
I’m just saying that the Edelbrock is POSSIBLY better suited to a manual car driven on the street, particularly at lower boost pressures/pump fuel because average power is what seems to make a manual car feel fast. We can’t play with converter slip to make everything seem more rosy than it might otherwise be.

Either way, we live in good times where there’s genuine competition and a solution to suit nearly every buyer, whether it be Centri, PD, Turbos, whatever you can think of.
We all win.
Let the rivalry continue!

I’ll be posting results (data logs/videos/strip results) of my Edelbrock swap as soon as the blower is released/I can afford the swap over (given my run of luck recently, these two things probably won’t occur at the same time

 

[Kona 18]

Edelbrocks 2019 catalog is out, check out that TB A lot of attention to details were put into parts that aren't visible, anodized black with a red etched blade, looks pretty damn good.

 

[gimmie11s]

Edelbrock coming with some 2650 game!! Super impressive. Where is VMP!?!?!? Cant believe how bad they dropped the ball on a 2018+ release.

 

[Kona 18]

Edelbrock coming with some 2650 game!! Super impressive. Where is VMP!?!?!? Cant believe how bad they dropped the ball on a 2018+ release.

I'm no in that industry but from what I heard they had a deal worked out with a blower company and they pulled out leaving VMP with no one. The problem is they don't have their own aluminum foundry so they can't cast their own parts, this is why their partnership with Roush worked so well, they used almost everything from the Roush kit and made changes to the blower housing design to suit their needs.

For 18+ they wont be using the Roush unit bc of its obvious flaws when compared to the competition so they are stuck until they find someone who can cast the parts they need, or do a join venture with another blower company.

 

[Burkey]

I'm no in that industry but from what I heard they had a deal worked out with a blower company and they pulled out leaving VMP with no one. The problem is they don't have their own aluminum foundry so they can't cast their own parts, this is why their partnership with Roush worked so well, they used almost everything from the Roush kit and made changes to the blower housing design to suit their needs.

For 18+ they wont be using the Roush unit bc of its obvious flaws when compared to the competition so they are stuck until they find someone who can cast the parts they need, or do a join venture with another blower company.

So they’ll be using CNC machined billet housings in future?

 

[gimmie11s]

I'm no in that industry but from what I heard they had a deal worked out with a blower company and they pulled out leaving VMP with no one. The problem is they don't have their own aluminum foundry so they can't cast their own parts, this is why their partnership with Roush worked so well, they used almost everything from the Roush kit and made changes to the blower housing design to suit their needs.

For 18+ they wont be using the Roush unit bc of its obvious flaws when compared to the competition so they are stuck until they find someone who can cast the parts they need, or do a join venture with another blower company.

I assumed that's what happened so its interesting to hear someone else say it.

They have relationships built already with aluminum casters overseas so i wonder what the big issue was? All of their casings are proprietary and use Eaton's rotor packs. Gen2, gen2r, gen3 ... The process would have been the same where Justin and team design the housing they want around the 2650 pack and then have it cast. There are many foundrys to choose from... would be interesting to hear the details on what happened.

 

[Kona 18]

I assumed that's what happened so its interesting to hear someone else say it.

They have relationships built already with aluminum casters overseas so i wonder what the big issue was? All of their casings are proprietary and use Eaton's rotor packs. Gen2, gen2r, gen3 ... The process would have been the same where Justin and team design the housing they want around the 2650 pack and then have it cast. There are many foundrys to choose from... would be interesting to hear the details on what happened.

The rotor casting dimensions are available since they're made by Eaton and they have their own tolerances, but everything else would need to be designed from scratch, idler brackets, tensionor brackets, intercooler brick location, manifold design, a lot of things they prob aren't equipped to do. The way I see it, they piggy back off another manf's kit, someone who's already done all the hard work and just make changes to suit higher HP builds, like they did with the Roush kit.

Imagine the following scenario, Say VMP partners with Whipple(highly unlikely) and uses everything from the Whipple kit except the rotor housing will be cast for a 2.65" in it instead, of the 3.0 twin screw. The intercooler lid will have a different design to tell it apart from the Whipple, but for the most pats all the belt brackets, the heat exchanger, the pump, the hoses, the intercooler, and over all design is the same. Then they sell this as the VMP 18+ kit. Or they partner with Edelbrock, who already has 2.3 and 2.6 blower assemblies for these cars, and only change say the inlet design so it's oval, uses their twin 69/72 TB's or KB168 flangers and their triple pass heat exchanger with a new intercooler top lid design.

That's what they would have to do, find a blower company that already make a kit and partner with them. I doubt it will be Whipple and it doesn't look like it will be Roush, so either Magnuson(who I heard is the one who pulled out), Edelbrock, or some other company with a PD type blower already available for the 18+ market. Or, like you mentioned, they design their own parts and have them cast by a third party.

All this is speculation of course

 

[gimmie11s]

The rotor casting dimensions are available since they're made by Eaton and they have their own tolerances, but everything else would need to be designed from scratch, idler brackets, tensionor brackets, intercooler brick location, manifold design, a lot of things they prob aren't equipped to do. The way I see it, they piggy back off another manf's kit, someone who's already done all the hard work and just make changes to suit higher HP builds, like they did with the Roush kit.

Imagine the following scenario, Say VMP partners with Whipple(highly unlikely) and uses everything from the Whipple kit except the rotor housing will be cast for a 2.65" in it instead, of the 3.0 twin screw. The intercooler lid will have a different design to tell it apart from the Whipple, but for the most pats all the belt brackets, the heat exchanger, the pump, the hoses, the intercooler, and over all design is the same. Then they sell this as the VMP 18+ kit. Or they partner with Edelbrock, who already has 2.3 and 2.6 blower assemblies for these cars, and only change say the inlet design so it's oval, uses their twin 69/72 TB's or KB168 flangers and their triple pass heat exchanger with a new intercooler top lid design.

That's what they would have to do, find a blower company that already make a kit and partner with them. I doubt it will be Whipple and it doesn't look like it will be Roush, so either Magnuson(who I heard is the one who pulled out), Edelbrock, or some other company with a PD type blower already available for the 18+ market. Or, like you mentioned, they design their own parts and have them cast by a third party.

All this is speculation of course

Yeah.. really interesting for sure.

Their primary product line was aimed at the GT500 so all they had to come up with was the blower case itself.

When you talk about a coyote car release, obviously there is much more to it like you mention above.

 

[olaosunt]

Edelbrocks 2019 catalog is out, check out that TB A lot of attention to details were put into parts that aren't visible, anodized black with a red etched blade, looks pretty damn good.

Any idea on pricing ?
I like the sound of the protuner kit -#15899
Have a a couple of spare long blocks sitting in my storage I am thinking will look good dressed in them . Lol
May be replace current KB /whipple set ups if/when I swap the motors .

 

[Kona 18]

Any idea on pricing ?
I like the sound of the protuner kit -#15899
Have a a couple of spare long blocks sitting in my storage I am thinking will look good dressed in them . Lol
May be replace current KB /whipple set ups if/when I swap the motors .

Yeah that 15899 looks like it's made more for swap cars where vehicle specific parts aren't needed. IDK the details on it, I myself got the 158320, which the stage 1 no tune version. So it came with everything minus injectors and a tune.

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