COVID-19 Question.....................

[Caballus]

Got ya.

Do you think this thing is over hyped in your country?

My country is the U.S. I'm stationed in Europe and have been for quite some time.

Is it over hyped across Europe? In my opinion, no. It's been handled very well here, in my opinion. I'm disappointed with the way it's been handled back home, generally speaking.

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[lateinthegame]

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronav...0200409-ew6oovj36zc6jfp5v33sewb4r4-story.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...irus-milestone-100th-doctor-dies-disease.html

https://www.france24.com/en/20200409-italy-says-number-of-doctors-killed-by-coronavirus-passes-100

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/italian-doctors-died-coronavirus-200409211435347.html

Why would you put 4 links to the same story just told by another person. Makes no sense. Of course they died. Dr's are the first ones to get it. I would not want to be a DR and be on the front lines. No way.

 

[lateinthegame]

Fake news. That don’t know. Drug trials take years. A double blind study is the only way to remove bias.

Remember there is no alternative. This is the only real therapy we have. That in itself is Bias.

Several clinical trials for chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are testing low doses for shorter periods of time in coronavirus patients. But the Health Commission of Guangdong Province in China had initially recommended those sick with the virus be treated with 500 milligrams of chloroquine twice daily for 10 days.

One of the authors of the Brazilian study, Dr. Marcus Lacerda, said in an email on Sunday that his study found that “the high dosage that the Chinese were using is very toxic and kills more patients.”

“That is the reason this arm of the study was halted early,” he said, adding that the manuscript was being reviewed by the journal Lancet Global Health.


Dr. Bushra Mina, the section chief of pulmonary medicine at Lenox Hill Hospital in Manhattan, said the study would most likely not change his hospital’s practice of giving a five-day course of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to hospitalized patients who were not severely ill. Dr. Mina said patients are monitored daily for heart abnormalities and the drugs are stopped if any are found.

He said the study showed “if you’re going to use it because you have no alternative, then use it cautiously,” he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/...irus-trump.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytpolitics

So you don't believe the news of the 350 people that got cured. Then why do you believe that 100 dr died?

 

[lateinthegame]

If it works so well why did 100 doctors die?

Did the doctors take the meds? Which is how the patients all got better. So I am going with the disease killed the doctors and they did not take the meds

 

[Inthehighdesert]

Sorry, I dont understand that statement at all. Generally speaking, there is no way to handle this type situation. I have my doubts if even managing it is realistic.

My country is the U.S. I'm stationed in Europe and have been for quite some time.

Is it over hyped across Europe? In my opinion, no. It's been handled very well here, in my opinion. I'm disappointed with the way it's been handled back home, generally speaking.

 

[rick81721]

If it works so well why did 100 doctors die?

So you think doctors should be immune to covid? People with comorbidities die - even younger people. And older, healthy people survive. Even really old people:

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04/11/102-year-old-woman-recovers-from-coronavirus/

 

[rick81721]

My point was there is no miracle cure. There has to be a phased double blind trial to test drugs. The placebo effect is very strong in both doctors and patients.

I personally think viral loading is a large factor in why so many doctors and nurses are dying. But not a doctor.

Who said there was a "miracle cure"? Of course there isn't. However the HC/z-max treatment seems to be helping many patients, especially when given earlier in the disease phase. There are many double blind studies going on right now.

 

[lateinthegame]

My point was there is no miracle cure. There has to be a phased double blind trial to test drugs. The placebo effect is very strong in both doctors and patients.

I personally think viral loading is a large factor in why so many doctors and nurses are dying. But not a doctor.

You seem misinformed about what is really going on with testing. You are ignoring how many people have been cured using the malaria drug and the antibiotic cocktail. But if you would read you would know that once the disease has gone too far that it does no good. There are also dosage level testing. Level 3 was stopped because it gave the patients heart problems. Lower levels testing are still going on and curing people. The FDA is political and is slow to react and people in other countries are getting cured all over the place. Why do you think people go to Europe to get cured for a lot of things?

You have to think about the malaria drug and antibiotic cocktail as a parachute. You have to pull it soon enough or it does no good.

You should really read more.

 

[lateinthegame]

Just to put the usage of HC in prospective.

https://www.sermo.com/press-release...atment-patterns-and-puts-pandemic-in-context/

https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...launches-clinical-trial-of-hydroxychloroquine

 

[Hi-PO Stang]

Prevention is the best practice. We don't know how long it will be before the virus leaves the US. After people return to work , it would be wise to wear PPE, was hands after possible exposure, and try to not get too close to others. The smart business owners will provide face shields, masks, and have someone take workers temperatures before they enter the workplace. We will all have to take precautions in the workplace and work differently than we did in the past.

 

[Snoopy49]

What about the people that recovered and when tested later, were found to be positive? It sounds to me like it is possible to be declared virus free only to get it again a second time.

 

[kilobravo]

Earl: Your logic makes perfect sense but to date, I have not read about anyone contracting the disease a second time. I know some still test positive but I believe the medical community is saying that is due to the original viral load and if there are residuals, the test can show positive.

The thing is, these tests aren't a hundred percent so it is entirely conceivable that we will see those who get it a second time but, I think we would have read about those individuals by now.

It's still a guessing game me thinks.

 

[lateinthegame]

Earl: Your logic makes perfect sense but to date, I have not read about anyone contracting the disease a second time. I know some still test positive but I believe the medical community is saying that is due to the original viral load and if there are residuals, the test can show positive.

The thing is, these tests aren't a hundred percent so it is entirely conceivable that we will see those who get it a second time but, I think we would have read about those individuals by now.

It's still a guessing game me thinks.

I did read where several were tested positive after being negative. I am thinking the test that showed negative was wrong.

https://fortune.com/2020/04/09/coro...red-patients-test-positive-reactivated-virus/

 

[kilobravo]

Interesting, @lateinthegame and I'd bet money that you're guess is correct.

If you think about it, how many people do you know that had the seasonal flu, recovered, and re-contracted it again soon thereafter? I don't know a soul.

 

[rick81721]

I did read where several were tested positive after being negative. I am thinking the test that showed negative was wrong.

https://fortune.com/2020/04/09/coro...red-patients-test-positive-reactivated-virus/

That's the consensus - faulty testing

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