BBQ Tick After Oil Change...

[2013GT]

Here's some interesting talk. Is the 2014 GT with "Track Pack" have any different Coyote 5.0 than the 2015 GTs? They are recommending 5W-50 Motorcraft full synthetic for that Coyote.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3770206/1

The engine in the 2015 is not the same as the 2011-2014. You have a new crankshaft design, new rods, pistons, valves, vale springs, cams, and the heads are somewhat revised. I have money on Ford made revisions in that list to prevent the problem. Using 5w50 might not be a problem, but I wouldn't risk it. I'm doing my best through normal channels to get this problem taken care of, though, being on a second engine and getting the problem again, I worry. (I am the one asking BITOG's opinion on using 5w30 in that thread. It is my new long block making that noise.)

Three things: Those XL-17 posts are years old, I haven't seen anything about it recently. The oil used by the dealership in my long block for its first fill was the same synthetic blend they'll use when you bring your cars to the dealer for an oil change, not some special break in blend (I started getting the ticking noise within 300 miles of engine replacement, before changing the oil, only after changing the oil did it get really bad). I had the dealership use the regular motorcraft blend for my first oil change.

Normal? Seriously? People give me the stink eye when I pull next to them. A teenager the other day asked me if my motor was blown because it sounds like a diesel. Come on now....


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Sounds coarse/grainy. I hear what you're talking about. It doesn't sound right at all. Then again I have a very sensitive ear for this kind of stuff, even if I have no idea what causes the bbq tick. Yours is not the bbq tick, but it does not sound right.

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[GT Pony]

Normal? Seriously? People give me the stink eye when I pull next to them. A teenager the other day asked me if my motor was blown because it sounds like a diesel. Come on now....

Guess I don't hear the ticking in your latest video like it was on your original motor. I'm sure hearing it in person may be different than the sound clip in a video. :shrug:

 

[GT Pony]

The engine in the 2015 is not the same as the 2011-2014. You have a new crankshaft design, new rods, pistons, valves, vale springs, cams, and the heads are somewhat revised. I have money on Ford made revisions in that list to prevent the problem.

Apparently the problem is caused by something that these revised parts didn't cure completely. Again, any engine no matter how beautifully designed it is on paper could have excessive tolerances during production. This is probably the root cause of this ticking issue IMO. And it seems that thin oil aggravates the symptoms.

Using 5w50 might not be a problem, but I wouldn't risk it. I'm doing my best through normal channels to get this problem taken care of, though, being on a second engine and getting the problem again, I worry. (I am the one asking BITOG's opinion on using 5w30 in that thread. It is my new long block making that noise.)

Using a 5W-30 shouldn't be an issue, but 5W-50 maybe. If mine starts ticking after the first oil change it's getting 5W-30 since I've read that some people got rid of their tick with 5W-30. 5W-20 vs 5W-30 at full operating temperature isn't gonna blow up an engine because 5W-30 is "too thick". Hell, 5W-50 is still thinner at full operating temperature than 5W-20 is cold.

I figured you were the new guy on BITOG. I am a member there too ... been so for many years.

Three things: Those XL-17 posts are years old, I haven't seen anything about it recently. The oil used by the dealership in my long block for its first fill was the same synthetic blend they'll use when you bring your cars to the dealer for an oil change, not some special break in blend (I started getting the ticking noise within 300 miles of engine replacement, before changing the oil, only after changing the oil did it get really bad). I had the dealership use the regular motorcraft blend for my first oil change.

Is the bulk oil at the dealerships really the same exact oil that came in the car from the factory, or the same as the oil in the 1 qt bottles of Motorcraft synthetic blend? I wonder sometimes.

 

[astolt12]

I had a chance to speak with an individual who had some ties to a Ford engineer a few days ago and be it true or not (understanding this is now second hand info) that the engine in your car already has had an oil change done on it and a decent amount of hours on it. This aids in the break in period so much like some users here have done - drive it like you stole it once it gets off the truck.

So the car delivered does not in fact have the "factory" break in oil but rather the recommended spec, for us 5w20. If that is true, my wonder now is then why did the tick not develop at that point and what could be causing this. I'm going to change my oil in a few hours and will prime the oil filter before installing it. I'm guessing filling it to 3/4 will suffice at install. Ill be using 5w20 syn blend.

bear in mind, i have nothing but second hand information to stand on for this but an interesting concept.

 

[2013GT]

I had a chance to speak with an individual who had some ties to a Ford engineer a few days ago and be it true or not (understanding this is now second hand info) that the engine in your car already has had an oil change done on it and a decent amount of hours on it. This aids in the break in period so much like some users here have done - drive it like you stole it once it gets off the truck.

So the car delivered does not in fact have the "factory" break in oil but rather the recommended spec, for us 5w20. If that is true, my wonder now is then why did the tick not develop at that point and what could be causing this. I'm going to change my oil in a few hours and will prime the oil filter before installing it. I'm guessing filling it to 3/4 will suffice at install. Ill be using 5w20 syn blend.

bear in mind, i have nothing but second hand information to stand on for this but an interesting concept.

I broke the two engines in differently. First one I drove like I stole it from day one. The new engine I broke in according to the manual. No extended WOT firs 100 miles, no lugging engine firs 1000 miles (or at all), vary speed frequently, did part throttle acceleration and engine braking to seat the rings. Burns no oil at all. But still ticking after 1500 miles on the oil. It's to the point that it's much quieter than before, but it's still quite prominent.

 

[astolt12]

Well,

the oil change didnt do anything but revert it back to the original sound it had when the oil was thin. After about 900 miles of driving it had started to die down and subside but was still evident when the AC was kicked on and the car in reverse.

Now, its smacking at idle and simply sitting in nuetral. That puffing sound is hit or miss that I heard yesterday before the oil change. I heard it once after I picked it up from Wade Ford and it hadnt ever come back until yesterday.

Im going to be writing Ford a certified letter and contacting the BBB. I'll try taking the car in on Monday to let the dealer have a look at it. One that I have not done business with in the area, so a fresh set of eyes and maybe a hopeful outcome. I don't know how much leverage I'll have since Ford continually claims this is normal but I expected an uphill climb once I heard that first slap of whatever in the engine.

I know Ford knows this isnt right and I just wish someone in their ranks would admit it and help a loyal customer. I've owned 3 mustangs and was never more excited than to buy this 2015 primarily because it was a track car. Unfortunately this thing hasnt even seen a curve or straight line at our local track.

The sad thing, and maybe I'm crazy is if and when Ford buys this back I want another S550 be it a 2015 or a 2016...my wife thinks I'm crazy.

 

[Ruby305GT]

Well,

the oil change didnt do anything but revert it back to the original sound it had when the oil was thin. After about 900 miles of driving it had started to die down and subside but was still evident when the AC was kicked on and the car in reverse.

Now, its smacking at idle and simply sitting in nuetral. That puffing sound is hit or miss that I heard yesterday before the oil change. I heard it once after I picked it up from Wade Ford and it hadnt ever come back until yesterday.

Im going to be writing Ford a certified letter and contacting the BBB. I'll try taking the car in on Monday to let the dealer have a look at it. One that I have not done business with in the area, so a fresh set of eyes and maybe a hopeful outcome. I don't know how much leverage I'll have since Ford continually claims this is normal but I expected an uphill climb once I heard that first slap of whatever in the engine.

I know Ford knows this isnt right and I just wish someone in their ranks would admit it and help a loyal customer. I've owned 3 mustangs and was never more excited than to buy this 2015 primarily because it was a track car. Unfortunately this thing hasnt even seen a curve or straight line at our local track.

The sad thing, and maybe I'm crazy is if and when Ford buys this back I want another S550 be it a 2015 or a 2016...my wife thinks I'm crazy.

It's a classic case of awesome design but poor execution. The car should be a hit, it's great on paper and drawings, but due to it being built by Ford the reliability goes out the window. Have the s550 be built by a company that gives a hoot, maybe his car wouldn't be plagued with lemons and the lack of workmanship I have seen.

For those out there saying it's because it's a mass produced car, every car under 50k is mass produced, so save it...


Why I lost my confidence in Ford

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21895

 

[ridenfish39]

I can't believe they didn't just replace your whole motor, I'd be livid and would be Lemoning that car.
My 12 was a dud. It burned a quart of oil every 1000 miles (among other issues) it's whole life til I traded it at 44k, sometimes even more. I complained to 2 dealers and they said it's ''normal''. I constantly tried different oils to see if it helped lessen the burning. One time I tried Castrol high mileage 5-30, I think at about 35k miles. It ticked immediately and it was loud. It subsided after I put about another thousand miles on the oil. I swapped it back to full synthetic after that and never heard it again.
Seeing the way people are treated by Ford when they have an issue makes me wonder why I was dumb enough to get another. I love my 15 but it will not get a tune in case it gets the tick. It is burning a little oil but not nearly what my 12 did. I can live with a half a quart in 3 k miles.

 

[Ruby305GT]

I can't believe they didn't just replace your whole motor, I'd be livid and would be Lemoning that car.
My 12 was a dud. It burned a quart of oil every 1000 miles (among other issues) it's whole life til I traded it at 44k, sometimes even more. I complained to 2 dealers and they said it's ''normal''. I constantly tried different oils to see if it helped lessen the burning. One time I tried Castrol high mileage 5-30, I think at about 35k miles. It ticked immediately and it was loud. It subsided after I put about another thousand miles on the oil. I swapped it back to full synthetic after that and never heard it again.
Seeing the way people are treated by Ford when they have an issue makes me wonder why I was dumb enough to get another. I love my 15 but it will not get a tune in case it gets the tick. It is burning a little oil but not nearly what my 12 did. I can live with a half a quart in 3 k miles.

Definitely getting lemoned. Sorry to hear about your experience, I was naive to think Ford was going to be a worry free experience.


Why I lost my confidence in Ford

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21895

 

[GT Pony]

I've owned 3 mustangs and was never more excited than to buy this 2015 primarily because it was a track car. Unfortunately this thing hasnt even seen a curve or straight line at our local track.

Maybe taking it on the track might do it some good. If she blows, she blows.

 

[GT Pony]

I had a chance to speak with an individual who had some ties to a Ford engineer a few days ago and be it true or not (understanding this is now second hand info) that the engine in your car already has had an oil change done on it and a decent amount of hours on it. This aids in the break in period so much like some users here have done - drive it like you stole it once it gets off the truck.

If it's what I'm thinking of, the engines are ran by using compressed air and they are not actually ran on gasoline ... that would be too complicated. GM does the same thing to look for the overall health of the engine - they monitor parameters as the engine is turning over via compressed air. I don't think they run them for hours, but enough to probably do an initial seating of parts and the health check. If they drain the oil after that test run or not is questionable, but I guess it's possible.

 

[astolt12]

Quick, hopeful update...

Ford has finally authorized an engine tear down to try and diagnosis the problem. This will be happening I suppose over the next few days to a week and will hopefully expose the issue.

Fingers crossed.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Quick, hopeful update...

Ford has finally authorized an engine tear down to try and diagnosis the problem. This will be happening I suppose over the next few days to a week and will hopefully expose the issue.

Fingers crossed.

Keep us posted.

 

[astolt12]

Also just received a response to my certified letter to ford on the issue dismissing my concern essentially stating "sucks to suck."

Will be escalating this to the BBB this weekend.

This company blows my mind once they get your money.

 

[Coaster]

Will be escalating this to the BBB this weekend.

FYI - BBB isn't a government agency, it's funded by businesses. Who do you think they will end up siding with?

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