Add Sway Bars or Leave Stock?

[Edgemere]

Greetings to All,

I just bought a 2022 Grabber Blue, Mustang GT Premium. It had 503 miles and it is like new. I have added a SP tower strut brace, and I did the X-pipe resonator delete, which added some nice rumble to the exhaust. My Mustang does not have the Performance Package, but I was deciding whether to upgrade to beefier front and rear sway bars. I believe my stock sways are-front-32MM and rear 21.7MM.

I was looking to upgrade to BPM-front 35MM and rear 25MM adjustable sway bars. I plan on using the car as a summer driver, and I most likely will never take the car to a track. I do not want to replace springs or do any other suspension modifications either. Will adding new beefier sway bars improve my driving enjoyment or is it a waste of my money? I would think the newly added tower brace will help stiffen up the front end a bit.

I would appreciate all of your opinions on this.

As a side note; does it make sense to remove the carbon trap? I do not want to jeopardize my Ford warranty. Is there any gain in HP and torque by removing it?

Thanks, Edgemere

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[Wolfys11]

Greetings to All,

I just bought a 2022 Grabber Blue, Mustang GT Premium. It had 503 miles and it is like new. I have added a SP tower strut brace, and I did the X-pipe resonator delete, which added some nice rumble to the exhaust. My Mustang does not have the Performance Package, but I was deciding whether to upgrade to beefier front and rear sway bars. I believe my stock sways are-front-32MM and rear 21.7MM.

I was looking to upgrade to BPM-front 35MM and rear 25MM adjustable sway bars. I plan on using the car as a summer driver, and I most likely will never take the car to a track. I do not want to replace springs or do any other suspension modifications either. Will adding new beefier sway bars improve my driving enjoyment or is it a waste of my money? I would think the newly added tower brace will help stiffen up the front end a bit.

I would appreciate all of your opinions on this.

As a side note; does it make sense to remove the carbon trap? I do not want to jeopardize my Ford warranty. Is there any gain in HP and torque by removing it?

Thanks, Edgemere

Should be about 10hp, bringing you back to the 460
Tower brace is a nice touch, its of course a minimal difference, but its something that does make a difference.
I cant say on the sway bars, but i believe that there are a few more important things before sway bars are the problem. The most budget way is to do springs, they make ones that dont lower, if you dont want to go lower than stock but be stiffer

 

[WItoTX]

What problem are you trying to solve?

I wouldn't change anything until you know exactly what you are chasing.

 

[Dave2013M3]

What problem are you trying to solve?

I wouldn't change anything until you know exactly what you are chasing.

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Also, I believe sways should be done as a package. Which means along with springs and strut/shocks as a package designed to work together. Or just leave it alone. I would move on to wheel and tires. Are you still on the factory non PP all season wheel and tires? If you are that's your first move.

 

[Bluemustang]

I don't think it's worth it unless you're doing more modifications with it. You need a performance alignment (more camber) to take advantage of it, at the very least. Ultimately, I think it's not going to be enough without stiffer springs too and better shocks.

 

[Bluemustang]

This...

Also, I believe sways should be done as a package. Which means along with springs and strut/shocks as a package designed to work together. Or just leave it alone. I would move on to wheel and tires. Are you still on the factory non PP all season wheel and tires? If you are that's your first move.

Tires is always most important +1

 

[Edgemere]

Thanks for the feedback. I had a 2008 Shelby GT 500 a few years ago and put 20K into mods. I was pulling 800 RWHP with it. The car was a monster, but lost its fun as a daily driver. I do not want to do that again. Plus I am retired now and do not want to spend the money on a bunch of mods that lead to more mods.

Now I have this cool 2022 Mustang GT Premium, and I would just like it to be more nimble in its handling. The car does not have the Performance Package so that's why I thought upgrading to larger sway bars would help with that. I have 20" stock wheels and All Season Goodyear Eagle tires that came with the car from Ford. I want to stay with All Season tires so I can drive the car earlier in the Spring and later in the Fall. Good Year would not be my first choice for tires.

So back to my original question. Is it a waste of my money to add better sway bars? Would it help with the handling and make the car more responsive in turns? I am not going to add springs, and I am staying with the original Good Year tires for at least two more years. Again thanks in advance for your answers.

Also, thoughts on removing my carbon trap filter.

Edgemere

 

[Jxp1962]

Tires is always most important +1

Are you guys saying to get rid of the all seasons tires? I did the exact opposite on my ecoboost pp, at 16k miles, my summer tires were shot, i replaced with all seasons, not as sticky, but last way more miles than summer tires. Plus being in maine, summer tires are not usable below 40 degrees, which limits driving in late october/November/december…

 

[K4fxd]

The car does not have the Performance Package so that's why I thought upgrading to larger sway bars would help with that. I have 20" stock wheels and All Season Goodyear Eagle tires that came with the car from Ford

Unfortunately your springs and struts/shocks are the worst part of the base suspension. The sway bars are fine for street use. That said stiffer bars will help some. They will not stop the brake dive. Or the excessive rise under acceleration.

Also, thoughts on removing my carbon trap filter.

The carbon trap is free HP. I've seen dyno graphs from 10 to 20 just removing it.

Good Year would not be my first choice for tires.

If they are the F1 asymmetric that is a very good A/S tire.

I know you don't want to but I would do springs, at least in the front. The rears with a good shock are fine for daily driving. Bilstein B6 or equivalent. 200 LB springs in the front, with a quality strut, ride smooth and get rid of brake dive, corner roll and rise.

 

[Bluemustang]

Are you guys saying to get rid of the all seasons tires? I did the exact opposite on my ecoboost pp, at 16k miles, my summer tires were shot, i replaced with all seasons, not as sticky, but last way more miles than summer tires. Plus being in maine, summer tires are not usable below 40 degrees, which limits driving in late october/November/december…

All seasons are not bad. They're just not as fast as summer tires can be. Fwiw I have Michelin A/S PS4's (or AS4 whatever you call them) and they grip really well. As well as my Indy 500s did on the street. But I also have two sets of wheels. RE71R on my other set lol. All seasons are a compromise as with everything. Depending on your situation and what you do with the car all seasons can be just fine.

My point is more about getting quality tires for your intended purpose. It's the only thing actually touching the ground. It's more important than suspension or power upgrades.

 

[WildHorse]

10 to 20 just removing it.

 

[K4fxd]

@WildHorse

If you search the webs there are a few shops with dyno runs. Could they be faked? Sure, but it wont hurt anything removing it.

 

[Dave2013M3]

I wouldn't get them. There is a big difference in spending $20k on mods and investing in a suspension. My car is a PP1 car and it was just passable. Adding a Ford Performance TrackKit and better wheel and tires not only improved the performance but the looks.

That being said if you don't want to do it, I would leave it as is.

 

[shogun32]

, and I most likely will never take the car to a track. I do not want to replace springs or do any other suspension modifications either.

That you don't want to do any of the actually essential chassis fixes means your definition of "driving enjoyment" is questionable.
Or have you revised your statement? Per

would just like it to be more nimble in its handling.

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make the car more responsive in turns?

The pp1 package short of the bracing and brakes is garbage.

And yes sway ars are a complete waste of money. Because they are the absolute last item in the recipe and you're not willing to do everything that comes before.

 

[shogun32]

but last way more miles than summer tires.

Well yeah. But tires are intended to be worn out as fast as you can. It's a muscle car and heavy at that. Your supposed to be buying tires every year or so. If you want to buy tires every 10 years, buy a carolla or cuv.

We change politicians every 2 years, why shouldn't your tires be likewise? Please tell me you're not this guy.

Ps. Some statements may have been slightly exaggerated for effect.

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