7000 Miles and 1st Problem :-( !!

[I Bleed Ford Blue]

Maybe these parents need to quit coddling these kids and make them get off there ass and get a real job, then the workforce would get back to pre-pandemic levels.

We can debate this until the cows come home, but I think OP needs to try a different dealer, he might have better luck somewhere else. And if there is one nearby, try a Lincoln dealer, they are smaller and have less volume of vehicles coming thru for service so they can treat the customers better and in a more timely manner.

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[TEAsGrabber]

Maybe these parents need to quit coddling these kids and make them get off there ass and get a real job, then the workforce would get back to pre-pandemic levels.

We can debate this until the cows come home, but I think OP needs to try a different dealer, he might have better luck somewhere else. And if there is one nearby, try a Lincoln dealer, they are smaller and have less volume of vehicles coming thru for service so they can treat the customers better and in a more timely manner.

I did call a couple of other dealerships. The first one could get me in Oct 25th and the other one 15 miles away told me to bring the car in so they could scan codes and see what was going on. I took it to them and they scanned codes and erased. All but one hard code was erased and everything seemed back to normal. Told me to take it out and drive and see what happens. Before I hit 4th gear all the warnings were back etc. The code that's hard says ABS module communication failure. They were able to get me in on Oct 16th, so that's a lil better. I never thought about Merc dealers. I'll try them today! TY!!
On a side note I guess it was a sign...... I've been going back and fourth about buying an extended warranty. My 12 month date is Nov 3rd and I just saw Zack from Grainger post that ESP plans are likely going to increase Oct 2nd. Nothing will make you hate a car more than coming outta pocket for broke sh*t. I don't wanna hate this one!!! LMAO!

 

[2016S550]

I did call a couple of other dealerships. The first one could get me in Oct 25th and the other one 15 miles away told me to bring the car in so they could scan codes and see what was going on. I took it to them and they scanned codes and erased. All but one hard code was erased and everything seemed back to normal. Told me to take it out and drive and see what happens. Before I hit 4th gear all the warnings were back etc. The code that's hard says ABS module communication failure. They were able to get me in on Oct 16th, so that's a lil better. I never thought about Merc dealers. I'll try them today! TY!!
On a side note I guess it was a sign...... I've been going back and fourth about buying an extended warranty. My 12 month date is Nov 3rd and I just saw Zack from Grainger post that ESP plans are likely going to increase Oct 2nd. Nothing will make you hate a car more than coming outta pocket for broke sh*t. I don't wanna hate this one!!! LMAO!

That sounds like much better news, glad you are making some progress!!!!

 

[luca1290]

The symptoms are similar to a failed tone wheel/sensor/wiring loom.
That's strange the failed comms with module but it could be the module needing a reset (or just a self test), sometimes they go crazy when they get implausible signals.

For the incompetence of the dealers sadly I have to agree, it's a problem also here and it's everywhere, not only in the car world.
I had a customer of mine saying "why I have to teach a job to the youngers, they stay working here for a year and then they leave". He's a father of two and I was astonished, but I hear it's a common occurrence.

The only thing I can say is, if you like staying around cars this is the time to develop a new skill and make the repairs for yourself.

 

[TEAsGrabber]

Merc dealer is 9 weeks out!

 

[93_SVT_3503]

That’s exactly what I am trying to comprehend. The handouts have dried up and Covid is not impacting the work force availability. Our population did not decrease, a very large number of the deaths were way beyond retirement age. So how are these people making ends meet if they are not in the work force? Two years could not have made this much of an impact on the work force. Is it possible that Gen Z is overwhelmingly living in their parents house, eating free food, and playing video games instead of working? If that’s the case then our economic future will be in turmoil. Sometimes I feel like selling my car and buying a late 60s to early 70s car and taking care of it myself. The juice is getting harder to justify the squeeze. Even if you can get into the dealer the usual Bs of “could not replicate or functions as normal” gets old. Amazingly they can find the problem days after the warranty has expired……I work in an elementary school and almost 20% of them have some form of “diagnosed” issue that’s affords an accommodation in one way or another. I don’t think the “futures so bright that I gotta wear shades”. Sad, just sad.

I've been wondering the same thing the last few months and then I heard this astonishing stat on the radio the other morning(see below). Scary this is what our society has become. You could argue that more and more people are living together to cut costs because of affordability, or you could argue that the younger generations have gotten lazy and don't want to apply themselves to be self sufficient, even though it has gotten terribly ridiculously expensive to get by with just the basics. But, since the start of the 21st Century, the number of people with wealth between $10,000 and $100,000 has more than tripled in size from 507 million in 2000 to 1.7 billion in mid-2020. Also, during covid, over 5 million new millionaires were made. Transfer of wealth rings a bell. I think it's a combination of all of those factors that have put our modern society where we are today, with no recovery in the near future. (Did my best to avoid politics)



"According to a new survey from Harris Poll for Bloomberg, roughly 45% of people ages 18 to 29 are living at home with their families — the highest figure since the 1940s. More than 60% of Gen-Zers and millennials reported moving back home in the past two years, according to the poll, often because of financial challenges.

Moving back with their parents is a choice many are making these days as they grapple with high housing costs, heavy student debt, inflation and the kind of broader economic precariousness that has increasingly weighed on younger people in recent years.

The top reason for returning home, at more than 40%, is to save money, Harris found. In addition, 30% of respondents said they are staying with family members because they can't afford to live on their own. Other factors included paying down debt (19%), recovering financially from emergency costs (16%) and losing a job (10%), according to the survey.

The poll, conducted online in August, includes responses from more than 4,000 U.S. adults, including 329 people ages 18 to 29."


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gen-z-millennials-living-at-home-harris-poll/


-not my regular news source, just the first one I could find with an article on that poll.

 

[XFactor7889]

At risk of the beating that comes from pointing out issues with arguments from strangers on the internet, I hate to tell you that many of you have missed a very important detail. Baby Boomers are retiring. They make up a ton of the population, and until not long ago, a huge portion of the labor force. Labor force participation is down only 0.6% now compared to Feb 2020 (right before shutdowns began). Certainly not a small amount, but not a massive amount either. In fact, labor force participation for those between 25 and 54 is actually greater today than it was in 2019. Unemployment is about what it was then, only because it's now rising to levels that it really needs to be in order to keep inflation at bay (aka, until the last few months, unemployment was better than in 2019).

What we're experiencing with the delays and short stock of a lot of products is the result of the bullwhip effect. It's something that takes a long time to recover from and it's a result of auto manufacturers canceling orders for the microchips at the start of the shutdowns. (It's reasonable to assume that other products were handled similarly, by the way, they just didn't have the same impact and attention as the microchips.) They made a reasonable, yet incorrect, assumption that demand for vehicles would drastically decrease as a result of the pandemic. Therefore, they made pre-emptive cost cutting moves to protect themselves. By the time they realized they were wrong, not only were they already behind, but microchip manufacturers had also shifted production to other industries that saw an increase in demand themselves (largely video games and home electronics). They no longer had the capacity to shift production to auto manufacturers' needs right away, creating further delays. It's legit what is taught in business schools and I am certain this will be a case study at those schools in the future.

I know it's the easy thing to do when we're frustrated, but simply blaming the younger generations for "not wanting to work" is unfair at best and lazy at worst. The numbers don't support the argument. We're also experiencing a shift in how things work now. It's what happens when the average age of cars on the road is 12+ years. They need work to stay on the road, and until supply (mechanics) increases to meet the shift in demand (broken cars), long waits will be fairly common.

 

[2016S550]

Yea, I get it. The thing is simple low skilled retail locations and burger joints cannot give a job away, that has zero to do with chip shortages. Gen X’rs and Boomers didn’t work these jobs either.

 

[93_SVT_3503]

At risk of the beating that comes from pointing out issues with arguments from strangers on the internet, I hate to tell you that many of you have missed a very important detail. Baby Boomers are retiring. They make up a ton of the population, and until not long ago, a huge portion of the labor force. Labor force participation is down only 0.6% now compared to Feb 2020 (right before shutdowns began). Certainly not a small amount, but not a massive amount either. In fact, labor force participation for those between 25 and 54 is actually greater today than it was in 2019. Unemployment is about what it was then, only because it's now rising to levels that it really needs to be in order to keep inflation at bay (aka, until the last few months, unemployment was better than in 2019).

What we're experiencing with the delays and short stock of a lot of products is the result of the bullwhip effect. It's something that takes a long time to recover from and it's a result of auto manufacturers canceling orders for the microchips at the start of the shutdowns. (It's reasonable to assume that other products were handled similarly, by the way, they just didn't have the same impact and attention as the microchips.) They made a reasonable, yet incorrect, assumption that demand for vehicles would drastically decrease as a result of the pandemic. Therefore, they made pre-emptive cost cutting moves to protect themselves. By the time they realized they were wrong, not only were they already behind, but microchip manufacturers had also shifted production to other industries that saw an increase in demand themselves (largely video games and home electronics). They no longer had the capacity to shift production to auto manufacturers' needs right away, creating further delays. It's legit what is taught in business schools and I am certain this will be a case study at those schools in the future.

I know it's the easy thing to do when we're frustrated, but simply blaming the younger generations for "not wanting to work" is unfair at best and lazy at worst. The numbers don't support the argument. We're also experiencing a shift in how things work now. It's what happens when the average age of cars on the road is 12+ years. They need work to stay on the road, and until supply (mechanics) increases to meet the shift in demand (broken cars), long waits will be fairly common.

That doesn't quite math out. 17% of the population are Baby Boomers, and over 40% of those can't afford to retire, so they're still working. Rounding up, that's only 10% of the population retiring. Add in your quote, 'labor force participation for those between 25 and 54 is actually greater today than it was in 2019'. Then how and why are we in the current state of affairs we're in? I think it's a mix of those groups skating by on jobs that get them by, versus jobs that need to be done for the benefit of society. Which, I think equates more to people getting used to being unproductive over the last 3+ years and don't want to apply themselves to get by, for ALL age groups.

 

[XFactor7889]

That doesn't quite math out. 17% of the population are Baby Boomers, and over 40% of those can't afford to retire, so they're still working. Rounding up, that's only 10% of the population retiring. Add in your quote, 'labor force participation for those between 25 and 54 is actually greater today than it was in 2019'. Then how and why are we in the current state of affairs we're in? I think it's a mix of those groups skating by on jobs that get them by, versus jobs that need to be done for the benefit of society. Which, I think equates more to people getting used to being unproductive over the last 3+ years and don't want to apply themselves to get by, for ALL age groups.

For starters, I'm not sure where your 17% number comes from. Even the smallest numbers I've seen for 2023 fall around 20%, with Millenials the only group larger. Consider that Millenials only passed Baby Boomers in 2020 as the largest generation, it makes perfect sense that the Baby Boomers are a big factor here. Keep in mind, death also equals a subtraction from the labor force participation even if they didn't get to retire beforehand. Even so, if you're suggesting that 10% of people leaving the workforce is small (it's not by the way), consider that the numbers I mentioned show that there is a less than 1% decrease in labor force participation now compared to just before the pandemic, and it appears you only strengthened my argument.

The rest of what you have said is strictly speculation blended with a bit of judgment. If the goal is to have a growing economy, then any job contributing to the GDP is a benefit to society.

 

[SheepDog]

Merc dealer is 9 weeks out!

There's no point in taking it to a Mercedes dealership if you intend on having it warrantied. Otherwise, just fix it yourself. What codes specifically did the dealer pull and clear?

If it is a wheel bearing, you don't need specialty tools to replace it.

 

[I Bleed Ford Blue]

he meant mercury, not mercedes.

 

[2016S550]

For starters, I'm not sure where your 17% number comes from. Even the smallest numbers I've seen for 2023 fall around 20%, with Millenials the only group larger. Consider that Millenials only passed Baby Boomers in 2020 as the largest generation, it makes perfect sense that the Baby Boomers are a big factor here. Keep in mind, death also equals a subtraction from the labor force participation even if they didn't get to retire beforehand. Even so, if you're suggesting that 10% of people leaving the workforce is small (it's not by the way), consider that the numbers I mentioned show that there is a less than 1% decrease in labor force participation now compared to just before the pandemic, and it appears you only strengthened my argument.

The rest of what you have said is strictly speculation blended with a bit of judgment. If the goal is to have a growing economy, then any job contributing to the GDP is a benefit to society.

It’s all skewed because we have had millions of undocumented “work force” age folks just walk across out southern border in the last 3 years. . lol.

But hey, at least the OP is hopefully making some progress in getting their car fixed. If I had retired a little sooner I may have consider taking up a second career at a dealership service center but at 50 I was not ready to start all over again mentally or physically

 

[XFactor7889]

It’s all skewed because we have had millions of undocumented “work force” age folks just walk across out southern border in the last 3 years. . lol.

But hey, at least the OP is hopefully making some progress in getting their car fixed. If I had retired a little sooner I may have consider taking up a second career at a dealership service center but at 50 I was not ready to start all over again mentally or physically

Skewed in what way, exactly? Without even getting into the inability to accurately measure the number of illegal border crossings, let's take your "millions" estimate to heart. They're not driving up the unemployment rate, as they can't collect unemployment, and at most, the only thing they're skewing is the total labor force participation rate upward by having jobs. That means they're paying income taxes. But, surely they're not taking jobs from the younger generations because, you mentioned earlier, "The thing is simple low skilled retail locations and burger joints cannot give a job away..." So, what are the "undocumented 'work force' age folks" that are "just walking across our southern border" skewing?

 

[kwpony]

It is easier to be paid to stay home and do playstation 5 all day.

what's the old saying ? " youth is wasted on the young".

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