2062 psa

[pilotgore]

I bought a 2062A in a panic when this filter shortage hit.
Now, is the 2062 and 2062A that different?
Here is the 2062A and it looks nothing like what the OP is showing.

Here they are side by side. I've used both with success.

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[Demonic]

As for squeezing the filter upon installation, what could cause it to dimensionally bind? Surely the engineers that designed the piece wouldn't have allowed a situation where the housing can be tightened to the point of pinching the filter? And if it's inserted into the assembly, what's there that it could catch on or not align/seat properly?

I don't think it would have been while tightening the housing. Look at the bent top shoulder of the filter in the last pic. I could see a situation where the tech is working fast, puts the low quality filter in the housing, reaches up into the engine bay without looking to see where the housing aligns, hits the top edge of the filter on the edge of the assembly deforming the edge of the filter as he keeps moving the housing around until finding where it lines up, and screws it on with the filter already deformed. Again, not saying that's what happened - just considering any reasonable possibilities.

 

[ZX3ST]

How do you know the old filter was a genuine Ford filter? Those 3 words on top "Made in China" says it all. I don't know offhand, of any Ford parts made in China. My 2087 filters have no such words on them, or the packaging. The packaging clearly say made in US.

It's not. If you look carefully at the photo, it's an AC Delco PF684G.

But it's equivalent to a Motorcraft FL2062.

I agree with some of the others. It looks like improper install to me.

 

[DCShelby]

The Gen 1 and Gen 2 motors, on my 2018 displayed very different oil pressure readings on the gauge. The Gen2 engine had a higher pressure at idle than Gen 1 and soon as you touched the throttle it went almost to max pressure. So yes they behaved differently.

 

[Demonic]

The Gen 1 and Gen 2 motors, on my 2018 displayed very different oil pressure readings on the gauge. The Gen2 engine had a higher pressure at idle than Gen 1 and soon as you touched the throttle it went almost to max pressure. So yes they behaved differently.

Both with the same filter though? My 2017 started to do the same when I switched to the newer filter, which is what others also reported after switching to the new filter.

 

[The Chairman]

Clearly an improperly installed filter that was crushed by the nipple inside the engine block side:

This is what the engine side of the filter mount looks like. That nipple extends less than 1/2” from the base:

It wouldn’t be difficult to misalign upon installation, then twisting the housing crushes it.

 

[Angrey]

The Gen 1 and Gen 2 motors, on my 2018 displayed very different oil pressure readings on the gauge. The Gen2 engine had a higher pressure at idle than Gen 1 and soon as you touched the throttle it went almost to max pressure. So yes they behaved differently.

You realize this could easily be explained by the change in oil pressure sensor. In fact, as posted above, the oil pump assembly is the same, the filter assembly changed (as did the pressure sensor, ask me how I know, cause the thread pitch even changed, you can not use the gen 1 pressure sensor on the gen 2 or vice versa, to swap over to the new filter assembly you also have to splice the harness for the new sensor connector).

Are you comparing gen 1 (canister) to gen 1 (cartridge) or both cartridge (there were a few gen 1's with the new cartridge setup).

I find it difficult to believe that oil pressures are/were substantially different between the two motors when the pump and lines are all the same and the redline is the same, etc. There's nothing to physically explain a noticeable disparity between pressure.

 

[DCShelby]

I’m just telling you how the pressure gauge changed its display behavior from Gen1 to Gen2 engine. I’m an engineer so I try to observe and analyze things. If you don’t want to believe me, so be it. Who knows what Ford really did in the Gen2 motor, they never officially said what the details were. I’ll stand by what I said.

 

[Angrey]

I’m just telling you how the pressure gauge changed its display behavior from Gen1 to Gen2 engine. I’m an engineer so I try to observe and analyze things. If you don’t want to believe me, so be it. Who knows what Ford really did in the Gen2 motor, they never officially said what the details were. I’ll stand by what I said.

I'm not arguing your point, just your implied reasoning for the change. The oil pump and associated fittings, lines, etc (that would contribute to fluid friction losses) did not change. There's an incessant myth that plagues the GT350 community where everyone WANTS to believe that the gen 2 motor is significantly and demonstrably better and different than the gen 1.

Changes in oil pressure READINGS could be explained by filtration media (synthetic vs cellulose) or filter design (cartridge vs canister) or instrumentation (new sensor) but the gen2's aren't magically creating more flow from the same pump when all other relevant variables remain the same (rpm limit, rotating components, pump, fittings, etc).

The implied explanation is akin to saying "I swapped out my tires for smaller ones and now my car is much faster at a given rpm, the speedometer says so"

 

[Postal Bob]

It's not. If you look carefully at the photo, it's an AC Delco PF684G.

But it's equivalent to a Motorcraft FL2062.

I agree with some of the others. It looks like improper install to me.

Still, I wouldn't trust any part so critical to these engines, to something made in China. Who knows, they could use the same filter media as they use in their inefficient covid masks.

 

[Angrey]

Still, I wouldn't trust any part so critical to these engines, to something made in China. Who knows, they could use the same filter media as they use in their inefficient covid masks.

I hate to be cheeky, but there's a ton of critical stuff that's made in china. I'm betting every critical o ring that keeps coolant or lubricant in place is made somewhere in Asia. The cars may be assembled in Detroit or Mexico, but a good portion of component parts are made in Asia.

 

[svttim]

I'm not arguing your point, just your implied reasoning for the change. The oil pump and associated fittings, lines, etc (that would contribute to fluid friction losses) did not change. There's an incessant myth that plagues the GT350 community where everyone WANTS to believe that the gen 2 motor is significantly and demonstrably better and different than the gen 1.

Changes in oil pressure READINGS could be explained by filtration media (synthetic vs cellulose) or filter design (cartridge vs canister) or instrumentation (new sensor) but the gen2's aren't magically creating more flow from the same pump when all other relevant variables remain the same (rpm limit, rotating components, pump, fittings, etc).

The implied explanation is akin to saying "I swapped out my tires for smaller ones and now my car is much faster at a given rpm, the speedometer says so"

The material used in the oil pump changed slightly but that does not change oil pressure, only durability. Weather the Gen 2 is "significantly" better is a mater of semantics. It is improved. That does not mean earlier Engines are weak. But back to point, I dont see a materiel change accounting for an increase in oil pressure

 

[matthewr87]

Both with the same filter though? My 2017 started to do the same when I switched to the newer filter, which is what others also reported after switching to the new filter.

Yeah same thing in my 2018. Oil pressure increased substantially across the board when I switched to the FL-2087 at my first oil change.

 

[Cobra Jet]

Still, I wouldn't trust any part so critical to these engines, to something made in China. Who knows, they could use the same filter media as they use in their inefficient covid masks.

What's the difference if it's made in China or Brazil? The other "Ford" filters are manufactured in Brazil. Does Brazil have better materials and manufacturing capabilities than XYZ? What if it were made in Mexico?

There's still potential for failure of any filter cartridge regardless of where the filter is assembled or made - even it if were made here on this soil.

All Ford does is cast out the bids to vendors who can build a unit based on their (Ford's) Engineering Team's specs, period. Not to mention, Ford and ANY Automotive Manufacturer will always choose the lowest bid to save on costs anyway. Hell, look at the quality of the S550 right off the assembly line, and we're going to cast doubts on quality of parts made overseas...

Looking at the images of the FL2062 and FL2062A, there's an obvious size (length) difference between the (2) units. Shouldn't the purpose of the filter cartridge be to fit the filter cup so that it seals and is seated as designed? That's like defeating the purpose of a proper install too by using a part that isn't the proper part for the job - but we're going to cast the "its made in XYZ"...

Throwing out the fact of where an oil filter cartridge is made - it does appear that the AC Delco cartridge could have been installed incorrectly or it had moved/twisted when the oil can top was replaced.

A freestanding paper filter cartridge element that is not enclosed in a metal casing like the GT350 is prone to slight movement of the filter pleats due to engine psi and R&R of the filter. The pleats on some filters may not be as strong and would compress or "squish" sooner than other designs.

The other (2) issues too is the more debris that gets trapped in the pleats, the higher the oil psi will be and the heavier the pleats become, which is also prone to collapsing the pleated column of the unit. And if the material is more restrictive from one filter media to the next, that too affects oil psi.

 

[Angrey]

What's the difference if it's made in China or Brazil? The other "Ford" filters are manufactured in Brazil. Does Brazil have better materials and manufacturing capabilities than XYZ? What if it were made in Mexico?

There's still potential for failure of any filter cartridge regardless of where the filter is assembled or made - even it if were made here on this soil.

All Ford does is cast out the bids to vendors who can build a unit based on their (Ford's) Engineering Team's specs, period. Not to mention, Ford and ANY Automotive Manufacturer will always choose the lowest bid to save on costs anyway. Hell, look at the quality of the S550 right off the assembly line, and we're going to cast doubts on quality of parts made overseas...

Looking at the images of the FL2062 and FL2062A, there's an obvious size (length) difference between the (2) units. Shouldn't the purpose of the filter cartridge be to fit the filter cup so that it seals and is seated as designed? That's like defeating the purpose of a proper install too by using a part that isn't the proper part for the job - but we're going to cast the "its made in XYZ"...

Throwing out the fact of where an oil filter cartridge is made - it does appear that the AC Delco cartridge could have been installed incorrectly or it had moved/twisted when the oil can top was replaced.

A freestanding paper filter cartridge element that is not enclosed in a metal casing like the GT350 is prone to slight movement of the filter pleats due to engine psi and R&R of the filter. The pleats on some filters may not be as strong and would compress or "squish" sooner than other designs.

The other (2) issues too is the more debris that gets trapped in the pleats, the higher the oil psi will be and the heavier the pleats become, which is also prone to collapsing the pleated column of the unit. And if the material is more restrictive from one filter media to the next, that too affects oil psi.

Great points all.

The other idea I had floating around is that a collapse risk really would be most after a long use interval and a cold start. 20 psi trying to push thick cold oil through a dirty/accumulated filter is probably more of a collapse risk than 100 psi of hot soupy oil under redline. So the idea that one filter might be okay as long as your not "tracking" the car is probably not rock solid reasoning. Admittedly I'm not intimately familiar with modern Ford's bypass logic and features so maybe the cold conditions are mitigated though sending cold/thick oil around the filter.

I keep bringing up the idea, but Dorman isn't listening. An aftermarket "stem" with perforated tubing would at the very least, prevent total choke of the fresh/filtered oil return back to the motor. Some of the pleating could fail and collapse but at least it wouldn't occlude the center channel feeding the motor and totally collapse and close it off. This approach seems (to me) to be more economical than paying for an internally framed filter at EVERY service and then throwing it away.

My car is being torn down right now, if I hadn't spliced my harness to run the new filter assembly I'd go back to the canister style and either rock the 2069 or put on a remote assembly and go with whatever tried/true canister filter is out there. The spin off issue is easily resolved with a worm clamp so the only real threat remaining would be the old sensor (with no o ring) backing out, but some chemically resistive thread locker and a torque wrench would probably minimize that concern.

It's crazy where we're at over something as simplistic as oil filtration. Just goes back to the old adage if it's not broken don't fix it. There was nothing wrong with the GT500 (last gen) setups so why Ford insisted on changing the GT350 and creating this whole set of dominos is confounding and head shaking.

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