2062 psa

[Creighton]

Posting this as a psa regarding 2062 vs 2087 filter. This came out of my recently purchased 350. I figured I had a 2062 since the car is a 2018 and the oil was changed at the dealer when I bought the car as part of the typical xxx point inspection all used cars go thru. Dealer most likely didn’t know the car has a gen 2 engine since they purchased at auction to flip and it was a GM dealer. I have no vested interest in the debate of 2062 vs 2087. I was fortunate enough to find a 2087 at a dealer a couple weeks ago so had a couple shipped to me. This is from a daily driver gen 2 motor. No track time since the dealer oil change. It’s seen spirited driving on a semi regular basis. Typically spirited driving consists of 1st and 2nd gear pulls up to 8k. A couple 3rd gear pulls up to that range over the 2250 miles on this filter. Doesn’t seem like the filter housing was overly tight from the dealer oil change so doubt this is a result of install issue. Jump to conclusions at your own judgement. Posting for informational purposes only. After seeing this I will not run anything but a 2087 in my gen 2. Personal preference though.

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[nmp1]

I think that photo says it all. I don't think you can over tighten and crush the filter that much with the shoulder built into the housing.

 

[pilotgore]

Posting this as a psa regarding 2062 vs 2087 filter. This came out of my recently purchased 350. I figured I had a 2062 since the car is a 2018 and the oil was changed at the dealer when I bought the car as part of the typical xxx point inspection all used cars go thru. Dealer most likely didn’t know the car has a gen 2 engine since they purchased at auction to flip and it was a GM dealer. I have no vested interest in the debate of 2062 vs 2087. I was fortunate enough to find a 2087 at a dealer a couple weeks ago so had a couple shipped to me. This is from a daily driver gen 2 motor. No track time since the dealer oil change. It’s seen spirited driving on a semi regular basis. Typically spirited driving consists of 1st and 2nd gear pulls up to 8k. A couple 3rd gear pulls up to that range over the 2250 miles on this filter. Doesn’t seem like the filter housing was overly tight from the dealer oil change so doubt this is a result of install issue. Jump to conclusions at your own judgement. Posting for informational purposes only. After seeing this I will not run anything but a 2087 in my gen 2. Personal preference though.

Holy cow Batman! Thanks for posting that. Of my 15 oil changes since 2/2/20, I’ve used the 2062 or 2062a for 13 of the oil changes, and I’ve never seen any deformation. That being said, I think I’m going to make it a point to switch to the 2087 exclusively.

 

[nmp1]

Holy cow Batman! Thanks for posting that. Of my 15 oil changes since 2/2/20, I’ve used the 2062 or 2062a for 13 of the oil changes, and I’ve never seen any deformation. That being said, I think I’m going to make it a point to switch to the 2087 exclusively.

15 oil changes in 2 year! Do you have a fleet of Shelby's or live at the track? BTW are you still making those 3D filter drain funnels?

 

[Creighton]

15 oil changes in 2 year! Do you have a fleet of Shelby's or live at the track? BTW are you still making those 3D filter drain funnels?

He was making those at least a month or so ago. I used the filter and fill funnel for this oil change and they work great. The full funnel really lives up to its name. It really will take all the fluid you throw at it without even getting half full. Never seen a fill funnel eat oil like this one. The filter funnel does a good job at making that process less messy than the ford plan for sure.

 

[pilotgore]

15 oil changes in 2 year! Do you have a fleet of Shelby's or live at the track? BTW are you still making those 3D filter drain funnels?

Ha! I’m doing my best to stay within the warranty terms, hoping for a new engine during my 8 year bumper to bumper warranty before I put the car out to pasture and stop tracking it. I’ve had it two track seasons now, 7 weekends per track season with this car plus the break in oil change.

Yup, still churning out the oil filter guides and oil funnels. The printers have been running almost nonstop since October

 

[Creighton]

Forgot to mention, stock car other than a k&n cai that was on the car since I purchased. Maybe the k&n makes so much power it collapses the oil filter.

 

[Tomster]

Posting this as a psa regarding 2062 vs 2087 filter. This came out of my recently purchased 350. I figured I had a 2062 since the car is a 2018 and the oil was changed at the dealer when I bought the car as part of the typical xxx point inspection all used cars go thru. Dealer most likely didn’t know the car has a gen 2 engine since they purchased at auction to flip and it was a GM dealer. I have no vested interest in the debate of 2062 vs 2087. I was fortunate enough to find a 2087 at a dealer a couple weeks ago so had a couple shipped to me. This is from a daily driver gen 2 motor. No track time since the dealer oil change. It’s seen spirited driving on a semi regular basis. Typically spirited driving consists of 1st and 2nd gear pulls up to 8k. A couple 3rd gear pulls up to that range over the 2250 miles on this filter. Doesn’t seem like the filter housing was overly tight from the dealer oil change so doubt this is a result of install issue. Jump to conclusions at your own judgement. Posting for informational purposes only. After seeing this I will not run anything but a 2087 in my gen 2. Personal preference though.

It looks to me that the filter was improperly installed. It looks as if it was not seated correctly and was subsequentially partially crushed when the canister was tightened down. I've never had a problem with a 2062 and I tracked my yellow R quite a bit. I believe the steel insert in the 2087 does two things, it prevents a filter collapse, but also prevents the filter from being crushed when not seated.

If the filter pictured was installed by a dealer, I suggest that they are paid to turn the car over in record time. They don't take their time to be careful, but instead crank the job out and move on to the next car.

For this reason, I do my own oil changes.

 

[pilotgore]

It looks to me that the filter was improperly installed. It looks as if it was not seated correctly and was subsequentially partially crushed when the canister was tightened down. I've never had a problem with a 2062 and I tracked my yellow R quite a bit. I believe the steel insert in the 2087 does two things, it prevents a filter collapse, but also prevents the filter from being crushed when not seated.

If the filter pictured was installed by a dealer, I suggest that they are paid to turn the car over in record time. They don't take their time to be careful, but instead crank the job out and move on to the next car.

For this reason, I do my own oil changes.

Very good point re: potentially not properly seated

 

[Creighton]

I’ve got no proof one way or the other if the filter was properly installed. I also do my own oil changes. This was what I found after buying the car. I’m not going to speculate on install quality. I suspect the gen 2 oil pump or gear revisions are the most likely cause of plastic filter inserts breaking and or collapsing. I suspect the equipment revision results in higher pressures in gen 2 motors vs gen 1 motors. I have no concrete evidence though.

 

[Postal Bob]

How do you know the old filter was a genuine Ford filter? Those 3 words on top "Made in China" says it all. I don't know offhand, of any Ford parts made in China. My 2087 filters have no such words on them, or the packaging. The packaging clearly say made in US.

 

[460Fred]

I bought a 2062A in a panic when this filter shortage hit.
Now, is the 2062 and 2062A that different?
Here is the 2062A and it looks nothing like what the OP is showing.

 

[Demonic]

Appreciate you posting this but as the others said I think there may be some misinformation here. That being said I could be wrong and am always interested in being corrected if so. I know of no change in the oil pump assemblies between different years/gens of the engine. Back when the engine was being revised for 2019+ there was speculation of changes in the oil pump or OPG gears, but it turned out to be a mis-report. A couple members contacted Ford Performance and FP contacted one of the engineers who confirmed no changes in the oil pump assembly. Likewise, the part numbers for the oil pump assembly are the same for all years following the late 2017 change to cartridge assembly systems. The only upgrade I know of is on the GT500 which does actually use a different oil pump assembly. I believe Kevin (@honeybadger) did the upgrade on his engine.

The change in oil pressure was more evidently attributed to the filter change, as there were forum threads back when Ford started changing to 2062 and then 2087 from those of us who noted increased oil pressure with the newer filters even in the older engines. As Tom mentioned, I think this may be more likely attributed to an install problem, along with possibly not even being a genuine Ford filter as Bob said. The PF684G number on top of your filter is apparently an AC Delco filter number.

 

[bauern]

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[Angrey]

The change in oil pressure was due to the change in filtration media material. Synthetic flows better than cellulose.

As for squeezing the filter upon installation, what could cause it to dimensionally bind? Surely the engineers that designed the piece wouldn't have allowed a situation where the housing can be tightened to the point of pinching the filter? And if it's inserted into the assembly, what's there that it could catch on or not align/seat properly?

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