2016 Camaro Official Specs!!!

[RocketGuy3]

New SS is just Goodyear run flats. Same widths as the PP if I recall, 245's and 275's.

If the base SS has the same tires as the PP, then it does have wider tires. That means the 1LE tires are probably wider than PP tires.

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[RocketGuy3]

Not sure about Autoblog, the Chevy mag was definitely a manual...

Going by ATS-V times, and how they have nearly identical power to weight ratios (with the Camaro being a little lighter) and use the same transmissions if I recall I can believe the SS numbers. ATS-V tests have shown the manual to run 4.2/12.6 and 4.2/12.5. Auto tests are 4.0/12.3 and 3.9/12.1.

Gotta just wait and see I guess....

Somehow the bolded being the best example for a matching time doesn't surprise me. ;)

 

[mustang_guy]

Anybody who drag races would like that advantage. I do, and 1 or 2 tenths is a lot actually, as in car lengths. Guys who race do a lot just to gain .1, gaining .1 or .2 off that bat is actually a great advantage to have. On the track, or on the street...

guys who drag race also like to be able to fit force induction under the hood.

 

[cosmo]

It can do the 4.4. Just because you and the average joe that drag races for fun cant do it, doesn't mean it doesn't. If you think the app is your best way to measure it, that's hilarious. :lol:

You clearly don't drag race enough. Get back to me when you've done over 10,000 passes and been doing it 25+ years. We'll revist this topic again.

Oh okay, I'll just take your word as gospel oh holy one. I never said it's the best way period, only for the everyday guy driving his mustang to get an idea of the performance his car is capable of in his hands. His car is inherently slower than the camaro now. That's the prime direction until proven otherwise. Sorry, but your old man experience doesn't overrule math.

I don't care if you've been drag racing for 50 years. I know old ass people who are dumb as hell when it comes to their cars. News flash, age doesn't equal knowledge.

 

[mustang_guy]

Oh okay, I'll just take your word as gospel oh holy one. I never said it's the best way period, only for the everyday guy driving his mustang to get an idea of the performance his car is capable of in his hands. His car is inherently slower than the camaro now. That's the prime direction until proven otherwise. Sorry, but your old man experience doesn't overrule math.

I don't care if you've been drag racing for 50 years. I know old ass people who are dumb as hell when it comes to their cars. News flash, age doesn't equal knowledge.

Well glad you can assume im dumb. This "old man" experience understands how net torque works VERY well. Infact ive done a write up before here to explain it. My math works VERY well. My real world experience drag racing competitively for large amounts of MONEY tells me, youre outclassed. Good day.

 

[cosmo]

Well glad you can assume im dumb. This "old man" experience understands how net torque works VERY well. Infact ive done a write up before here to explain it. My math works VERY well. My real world experience drag racing competitively for large amounts of MONEY tells me, youre outclassed. Good day.

Then with your unlimited knowledge, explain this. And also explain how the camaro will somehow run over a second slower than these times (for it to be the same speed as the mustang, or slower).

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c7-tech-performance/3372952-c7-fast-list.html

The new LT1 has proven itself at the drag strip in the corvette. The camaro has VERY similar specs with regards to gear ratios and tire sizing, but will still be slower. Over a second slower? No.

 

[mustang_guy]

Mocking me is a great way of getting answers. I know all about vettes. Im a regular member on two boards. Thanks though. I also never said anything about the lt4 being a second slower. You cant even address one topic at a time. Find your own answers since you think youre such an experienced drag racer. :lol:

 

[cosmo]

Mocking me is a great way of getting answers. I know all about vettes. Im a regular member on two boards. Thanks though. I also never said anything about the lt4 being a second slower. You cant even address one topic at a time. Find your own answers since you think youre such an experienced drag racer. :lol:

I never mentioned the lt4, I am talking about the lt1 which is shared in the corvette and camaro.

Your argument is that the mustang isn't inferior to the camaro in terms of drag times. I'm providing evidence, of a similar stock vehicle to the camaro, running 1.1s faster than the fastest stock '15 mustang I can find. You have not responded, or refuted anything in that link which shows a stock corvette with an auto running ~11.4 stock with the lt1 motor and the 8 speed auto. Both of which will be in the camaro, albeit with an additional 200 lbs. That 200lbs will not push the camaro to 12.5s (the fastest stock 15 mustang), so I'm concluding the camaro will be superior to the 15 mustang in drag races. I don't know how I can be more clear.

 

[02gtnh]

The base GT and base SS listed weights are 20 pounds difference- 3685 to 3705. NOT all that huge a deal here people. Add options to the Camaro it will be similar weight to a comparable GT. Not shocking or unexpected they were going to match the Mustang.

Sure it has a few more hp, but I seriously question a 4.0 0-60 auto.

If you look around I bet you'll find some best run GTs .1 sec behind (in fact Motortrend has the manual GT at 4.4 for manual vs 4.3 SS for manual) I have not seen many autos officially tested but we all know the auto is faster down the track than the manual so that tells me the auto can do below 4.4

So we're talking 20 pounds lighter and .1 sec 0-60 faster with a manual. Nothing earth shattering to worry about.

For the price difference in the car, the GT significantly cheaper, you can buy mods and negate that .1 sec very quickly- springs/suspension bits, CAI, tune, headers/exhaust- about $3k of parts WITH case in your pocket.

The price difference in base cars is $5k!!! hell you can throw in lighter wider wheels too and be at the $5k difference. For the price difference I can make a 460hp car too and lighten it up losing the exhaust resonator and lighter wheels.

You really think a base GT is close to the 1ss. Your not doing much with 18" all season tires. The 1ss will be more compared to a base GTPP. Now that weighs 3780lbs, so now your near 100 lbs heavier. This also puts base to base prices less then $1500.

 

[mustang_guy]

I never mentioned the lt4, I am talking about the lt1 which is shared in the corvette and camaro.

Your argument is that the mustang isn't inferior to the camaro in terms of drag times. I'm providing evidence, of a similar stock vehicle to the camaro, running 1.1s faster than the fastest stock '15 mustang I can find. You have not responded, or refuted anything in that link which shows a stock corvette with an auto running ~11.4 stock with the lt1 motor and the 8 speed auto. Both of which will be in the camaro, albeit with an additional 200 lbs. That 200lbs will not push the camaro to 12.5s (the fastest stock 15 mustang), so I'm concluding the camaro will be superior to the 15 mustang in drag races. I don't know how I can be more clear.

my phone changed it to lt4. Didnt catch that. there are autos and manual gts running 12.5s stock, stock tires included. im not doing much arguing because you just dont know much. Either way you think you know what youre talking about with drag racing in general. When in reality you know very little. We're done here.

 

[ATLalien]

It's always been a leap frog event between Ford and GM, for decades ... This just happens to be the leap where GM appears to be in the lead; give it time, Ford will make the leap, again

Plus, until an independent magazine (like C&D or MT) review it, I take those numbers with a big pinch of salt ;)

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Exactly right. When the S550 numbers started to come out, the Camaro guys were saying some of the same thing as you see in this thread. The performance battle always goes back and forth in good automotive times. Same thing happened in the 60's and our pony, muscle, and sports cars are quicker today because of competition. Ford will respond. These are the good old days!

 

[trustyrusty436]

This is all really interesting, but it is still ugly!:doh: You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. I don't care if it can beat my Mustang GT by 20 car lengths, I won't trade for one.

 

[cosmo]

my phone changed it to lt4. Didnt catch that. there are autos and manual gts running 12.5s stock, stock tires included. im not doing much arguing because you just dont know much. Either way you think you know what youre talking about with drag racing in general. When in reality you know very little. We're done here.

I agreed that there are mustangs running 12.5 stock on stock tires. I acknowledged that, and also supplied information showing the corvette (same engine and trans as the camaro) running 11.4. You don't have any way to show the camaro will run a full 1.1s slower than that right now, and yet still try to say the mustang will be competitive to the camaro. I don't see how you can make that argument. The math, which you said you are well versed in, doesn't support your stance.

We are done here. You can't argue with anyone who actually provides data to counteract your "experience" and "knowledge", so it's pointless. I'd love to debate with you, but you won't even enter the debate, and instead stick your nose up to me and act superior as if I don't know what I'm talking about. When all along... You're actually the one who doesn't appear to know what they're talking about, and doesn't actually have any proof to back up what you're saying.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

I agreed that there are mustangs running 12.5 stock on stock tires. I acknowledged that, and also supplied information showing the corvette (same engine and trans as the camaro) running 11.4. You don't have any way to show the camaro will run a full 1.1s slower than that right now, and yet still try to say the mustang will be competitive to the camaro. I don't see how you can make that argument. The math, which you said you are well versed in, doesn't support your stance.

We are done here. You can't argue with anyone who actually provides data to counteract your "experience" and "knowledge", so it's pointless. I'd love to debate with you, but you won't even enter the debate, and instead stick your nose up to me and act superior as if I don't know what I'm talking about. When all along... You're actually the one who doesn't appear to know what they're talking about, and doesn't actually have any proof to back up what you're saying.

Shouldn't you be worried about your EcoBoost and how it performs against the like model in the Crapmaro lineup?

 

[Blk2015GT]

Anybody who drag races would like that advantage. I do, and 1 or 2 tenths is a lot actually, as in car lengths. Guys who race do a lot just to gain .1, gaining .1 or .2 off that bat is actually a great advantage to have. On the track, or on the street...

This is exactly what I've been trying to say. If you're drag racing who the f*ck drag races 2 bone stock cars- 2 muscle cars at that. That's just nuts to worry about warranty and then say drag race in the same sentence.

The only people who race bone stock cars for numbers are car magazines.

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