2015 Mustang Weight Gain

[fastback69]

A 400lb lighter SVT model guarantees the GT will not be heavier. Come on, no way 2 cars on the same chassis with the same dimensions can be 400 pounds apart. They would have to build that thing mostly out of carbon fiber and strip the interior, and the car would cost a fortune.

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[nametoshowothers]

The car will be lighter or it will be no longer be viable in the long term

How much is just speculation

 

[Interceptor]

Let me say if the s550 is the same or heavier, the 4 cylinder turbo will have much trouble in the U.S.

Here in other parts of the world it may be fine for gas prices, tax and insurance causes but I know Americans will not embrace it. The power weight ratio will be severaly underpowered unless it gets a substantial tune.

 

[BenH]

I'm not buying it either.

This was a pretty significant goal for Ford, even if it was never specifically stated that way. A couple of years ago, I had a good 20 minute one on one conversation with Steve Ling...Global Product Marketing Strategy Manager at Ford. At THAT time, he told me that IRS was still up in air ( about a 50 - 50 chance ) because of it's weight and Ford's goal to REDUCE the weight of the Gen6 Mustang. Apparently they have resolved the weight issue in one way or another, because we know we're going to see IRS in the Gen6. I am hearing from reliable sources that it's a reduction of 300+ lbs. Also hearing that the Shelby nameplate is done, though I'm not quite sure it that means forever, the near future or just 2015. I didn't get the chance to ask for clarification on that.

Were your sources regular Ford guys or Ford Racing? I'm just trying to figure out if the 300+ lbs was in relation to the SVT as the OP suggested or if it is the standard S550.

I just can't believe they can drop 700 lbs for the next F-150 and nothing for the next-gen Stang.

 

[ARS]

I will believe all of these weight loss rumors when I see them. Lot of BS being thrown around right now as expected but I will bet you comparing apples to apples we might get 100 to 200 lbs max.

 

[5.0GT]

I will believe all of these weight loss rumors when I see them. Lot of BS being thrown around right now as expected but I will bet you comparing apples to apples we might get 100 to 200 lbs max.

Teases is all we hear and see....:frusty:

 

[Coyotestang13]

I don't see any indication of a 400 lb loss. I'm thinking 100 maybe 200 lbs lighter at most, but not a weight gain.

 

[Overboost]

The 400 lbs. rumor came from Edmunds, which has a shitty track record of validity. Everyone wants the car to lose weight, but the reality is, it's gonna pork up a bit.

 

[SStormtrooPer]

The 400 lbs. rumor came from Edmunds, which has a shitty track record of validity. Everyone wants the car to lose weight, but the reality is, it's gonna pork up a bit.

Source?

Sorry, I do want The car to lose weight, but I also believe the car will lose weight.

Ford has been talking weight savings on their entire line for a few years now just to meet cafe standards.

Aside from that, we know the Gen 6 Camaro will be on the Alpha platform -- and based on the 3400 curb weight of the ATS, the Gen 6 Camaro is going to shed significant weight from the Gen 5. this is not new news -- we have heard this chatter after the Gen 5 was on the showroom floors for only 1 year. Further to that, the(supposed) SRT Cuda will move from the bloated LX platform to whatever FIAT deems suitable. They know what the competition is -- and it WILL be lighter than the LX which every rear drive Chrysler rides on.

If S550 does not lose weight from the S197, it will be a deal breaker for a lot of buyers, and ultimately a death sentence. Sure, it they screw it up they can do a really fast refresh, but at that point the damage is done. Ford knows better than that, hopefully. This the Mustang, not a Chevy Malibu.

If the S550 is not significantly lighter, I will eat my words(as will a lot of people I am sure) -- and I will also buy something else.

 

[Overboost]

Source?

Sorry, I do want The car to lose weight, but I also believe the car will lose weight.

Ford has been talking weight savings on their entire line for a few years now just to meet cafe standards.

Aside from that, we know the Gen 6 Camaro will be on the Alpha platform -- and based on the 3400 curb weight of the ATS, the Gen 6 Camaro is going to shed significant weight from the Gen 5. this is not new news -- we have heard this chatter after the Gen 5 was on the showroom floors for only 1 year. Further to that, the(supposed) SRT Cuda will move from the bloated LX platform to whatever FIAT deems suitable. They know what the competition is -- and it WILL be lighter than the LX which every rear drive Chrysler rides on.

If S550 does not lose weight from the S197, it will be a deal breaker for a lot of buyers, and ultimately a death sentence. Sure, it they screw it up they can do a really fast refresh, but at that point the damage is done. Ford knows better than that, hopefully. This the Mustang, not a Chevy Malibu.

If the S550 is not significantly lighter, I will eat my words(as will a lot of people I am sure) -- and I will also buy something else.

When all the cards are out after the reveal, it'll make sense. I'll leave it at that.

Truth is, while we all hope the car gets lighter, the vast majority won't notice or care. The enthusiast market, however, does. We want to see a lighter, more nimble car, no matter what the cost. At the same time, it seems we forget that the platform has to fit a wide variety of roles. From coupe to convertible, base model to SVT, the car has to be strong enough to support them.

Here's a little nugget of info for you - look at the weight of the 2012 vs. 2013 Fusion. This is a car that just moved from the CD3 platform to CD4, which will underpin a variety of vehicles in the coming years. Ford has been cutting weight in everything, right? Wrong.

2012 Fusion - 3285 lbs. (Fusion SE, 2.5L, via Yahoo Autos)
2014 Fusion - 3427 lbs. (Fusion SE, 1.5L, via Yahoo Autos)

Edmunds lists the 2013 SE with the 2.5L engine at 3615 lbs. So, right there you see a gain of 200-400 lbs., just from a platform change. It's not so far fetched.

 

[thePill]

When all the cards are out after the reveal, it'll make sense. I'll leave it at that.

Truth is, while we all hope the car gets lighter, the vast majority won't notice or care. The enthusiast market, however, does. We want to see a lighter, more nimble car, no matter what the cost. At the same time, it seems we forget that the platform has to fit a wide variety of roles. From coupe to convertible, base model to SVT, the car has to be strong enough to support them.

Here's a little nugget of info for you - look at the weight of the 2012 vs. 2013 Fusion. This is a car that just moved from the CD3 platform to CD4, which will underpin a variety of vehicles in the coming years. Ford has been cutting weight in everything, right? Wrong.

2012 Fusion - 3285 lbs. (Fusion SE, 2.5L, via Yahoo Autos)
2014 Fusion - 3427 lbs. (Fusion SE, 1.5L, via Yahoo Autos)

Edmunds lists the 2013 SE with the 2.5L engine at 3615 lbs. So, right there you see a gain of 200-400 lbs., just from a platform change. It's not so far fetched.

Sir, you qouted the manual from 2012 and the Auto from 2014.

Auto for auto, 2.5 for 2.5, both Fusions weigh 3425 and 3427lbs... The 2012 was tested at 3475lbs with the 2.5 manual but had options. I posted this in another thread, I'll post it here.

The 2012 manual also came with 205's while the auto's had 215's.

(I spoke about this in this thread... The new Fusion increased in size but stayed about the same weight.

 

[Tony Alonso]

Don't most modern power window set ups weight less than traditional crank style systems? Also the packaging/design becomes more complex and clunky.

A Ford engineer who was posting on another forum I visit did indeed confirm that the power window set ups weighed less than using a manual crank configuration.

 

[Tony Alonso]

If S550 does not lose weight from the S197, it will be a deal breaker for a lot of buyers, and ultimately a death sentence. Sure, it they screw it up they can do a really fast refresh, but at that point the damage is done. Ford knows better than that, hopefully. This the Mustang, not a Chevy Malibu.

If you look at the reported curb weight of the Z51-equipped 2014 Corvette, it actually gained weight over the Grand Sport version of the 2013. This comes from a recent Motor Trend article. The weight came from larger wheels and tires, upgraded braking systems for the Z51, the electronic differential - all performance enhancements over the non-Z51 model.

The chassis overall lost weight, but it was offset by the additional equipment.

I would not say it's a death sentence. I would say we are going to see perhaps a similar situation in the higher end variants of the Mustang. If the unibody structure has shrunk enough to lose say 100 lbs (my guess, based on the speculated shortening), it could be offset by upgraded components to cope with higher engine outputs.

I think a big part of the weight question is answered by the rumored dropping of the supercharged SVT engine. Obviously, there would be more than that to reduce weight, but 150+lbs of supercharger is significant.

 

[HGFireHazard]

When all the cards are out after the reveal, it'll make sense. I'll leave it at that.

Truth is, while we all hope the car gets lighter, the vast majority won't notice or care. The enthusiast market, however, does. We want to see a lighter, more nimble car, no matter what the cost. At the same time, it seems we forget that the platform has to fit a wide variety of roles. From coupe to convertible, base model to SVT, the car has to be strong enough to support them.

Here's a little nugget of info for you - look at the weight of the 2012 vs. 2013 Fusion. This is a car that just moved from the CD3 platform to CD4, which will underpin a variety of vehicles in the coming years. Ford has been cutting weight in everything, right? Wrong.

2012 Fusion - 3285 lbs. (Fusion SE, 2.5L, via Yahoo Autos)
2014 Fusion - 3427 lbs. (Fusion SE, 1.5L, via Yahoo Autos)

Edmunds lists the 2013 SE with the 2.5L engine at 3615 lbs. So, right there you see a gain of 200-400 lbs., just from a platform change. It's not so far fetched.

I can't figure out if you're a shill or what's going on here. For MANY MONTHS we have heard rumor upon rumor of weight loss. It has been crammed down our throats to the point that almost all of us have come to expect that this car is going to weigh less than the outgoing model.

Now I can understand if, after receiving various upgrades such as even larger brakes (although if the car/platform is lighter, do they really need to be bigger than the brembo option?), more safety equipment, upgraded tech etc, that the car ends up being close, or maybe weighs a touch more, but I can not fathom the car weighing more by being pound for pound similar in regards to the S197.

We all believe the 5.0 and current transmission are transferring over which would negate any weight change, the IRS is a wild card as we don't know it's official design so it could weigh more, it could weigh less, etc. So outside of optional tech features, where is this weight going to come from? With the various new technology Ford has as their disposal to make a lighter and stronger unibody, how can you justify a weight gain?

This would pretty much kill my chances of getting this car. I would much rather get a deeply discounted 14 with a very established aftermarket of tried and true parts and go on my merry way.

I won't be making this decision until I'm informed with all the facts, but I must say some of these rumors we're hearing lately about weight gain and a possible late production/delivery window into next year is absolutely destroying my desire for this car.

 

[5.0GT]

but I must say some of these rumors we're hearing lately about weight gain and a possible late production/delivery window into next year is absolutely destroying my desire for this car.

Take a break from reading so much, seriously. It's just a car....

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